Old Shipley Junction Names

[Legolash2o]

I'm currently looking around Shipley. Some documents I have use their old names. Does anyone know which junction relates to the new names?

I suspect Bradford Jn is now Shipley South Jn and Bingley Jn is currently Shipley West Jn.

 

[Senex]

They were Leeds Jn at the east point of the triangle, Bingley Jn at the west, and Bradford Jn at the south, so now Shipley East, West, and South.

 

[AndrewE]

They were Leeds Jn at the east point of the triangle, Bingley Jn at the west, and Bradford Jn at the south, so now Shipley East, West, and South.

and a good idea if you ask me. The old railway practice of naming junctions for where the line went is confusing to an outsider or novice. E.g Sandbach junction (at Northwich) and Northwich Junction - at Sandbach of course. I suppose it might have been logical when there were dozens of branches as long as the junction name was preceded by the actual location, but they weren't.

 

[snowball]

I'm pretty sure I've seen HS2 documents using the name "Leeds Junction" for where the NE arm is proposed to turn off the NW arm near Curdworth.

 

[Ianno87]

and a good idea if you ask me. The old railway practice of naming junctions for where the line went is confusing to an outsider or novice. E.g Sandbach junction (at Northwich) and Northwich Junction - at Sandbach of course. I suppose it might have been logical when there were dozens of branches as long as the junction name was preceded by the actual location, but they weren't.

And potential for confusion of experienced insiders too, in the heat of the moment.

(Cambridge Jn at Hitchin and Bolton Jn at Blackburn being two other examples...)

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Even naming them after the location can be tricky: Heaton Lodge junction is known to us on here, but I've no idea what or where the eponymous Lodge is or was. Likewise the nearby Bradley and Bradley Wood junctions, I could imagine being confused for each other by those from outside the area. There's no Bradley station in the area, and even the area known as Bradley is often known by multiple other names depending on who you ask, why you're asking them, and which part of Bradley they're from!

Then there's the silly names like Dr. Day's Junction near Bristol, and a few others which I irritatingly can't recall!

 

[Bevan Price]

Even naming them after the location can be tricky: Heaton Lodge junction is known to us on here, but I've no idea what or where the eponymous Lodge is or was. Likewise the nearby Bradley and Bradley Wood junctions, I could imagine being confused for each other by those from outside the area. There's no Bradley station in the area, and even the area known as Bradley is often known by multiple other names depending on who you ask, why you're asking them, and which part of Bradley they're from!

Then there's the silly names like Dr. Day's Junction near Bristol, and a few others which I irritatingly can't recall!

There used to be a Bradley station, which closed long before Marples-Beeching. If you are travelling from Huddersfield, it was located just before the junction where the curve towards Brighouse leaves the line towards Mirfield & Leeds.

 

[Ploughman]

And Dockfield for the junction for the Baildon line to Ilkley.

 

[InOban]

And Mallaig junction in Fort William. Now renamed FW junction.

 

[a_c_skinner]

Guisborough Junction is doomed to disappoint.

 

[alangla]

Lesmahagow Junction, near Motherwell station. Not even a junction any more

 

[Legolash2o]

They were Leeds Jn at the east point of the triangle, Bingley Jn at the west, and Bradford Jn at the south, so now Shipley East, West, and South.

Thanks! Managed to solve my issue

 

[matacaster]

Even naming them after the location can be tricky: Heaton Lodge junction is known to us on here, but I've no idea what or where the eponymous Lodge is or was. Likewise the nearby Bradley and Bradley Wood junctions, I could imagine being confused for each other by those from outside the area. There's no Bradley station in the area, and even the area known as Bradley is often known by multiple other names depending on who you ask, why you're asking them, and which part of Bradley they're from!

Then there's the silly names like Dr. Day's Junction near Bristol, and a few others which I irritatingly can't recall!

Heaton Lodge is now used to describe an area in Kirkheaton. Although I can't find any info on the aforementioned Lodge itself, Lodges were usually built at an entrance to a large estate. That would almost certainly have been Heaton Hall which still exists today as does Heaton Hall Woods.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Heaton Lodge is now used to describe an area in Kirkheaton. Although I can't find any info on the aforementioned Lodge itself, Lodges were usually built at an entrance to a large estate. That would almost certainly have been Heaton Hall which still exists today as does Heaton Hall Woods.

Never knew the Kirkheaton connection! That's quite amusing considering that Kirkheaton is some distance away, though it did once have a station on the long-closed Kirkburton branch which was a perfect example of the silly routings that came along with Victorian "railway mania"! This left the main line at Deighton, I don't think it had a connection in the Mirfield direction, but there are remaining earthworks round Heaton Lodge junction which suggest there might once have been one, or attempts to build one.

 

[matacaster]

Never knew the Kirkheaton connection! That's quite amusing considering that Kirkheaton is some distance away, though it did once have a station on the long-closed Kirkburton branch which was a perfect example of the silly routings that came along with Victorian "railway mania"! This left the main line at Deighton, I don't think it had a connection in the Mirfield direction, but there are remaining earthworks round Heaton Lodge junction which suggest there might once have been one, or attempts to build one.

Kirkheaton means church of heaton (kirk = scottish for church)!

 

[30907]

and a good idea if you ask me. The old railway practice of naming junctions for where the line went is confusing to an outsider or novice. E.g Sandbach junction (at Northwich) and Northwich Junction - at Sandbach of course. I suppose it might have been logical when there were dozens of branches as long as the junction name was preceded by the actual location, but they weren't.

In Shipley's case the full name, displayed on the box, was Shipley Bingley (etc) Junction, so no room for confusion there.

 

[AndrewE]

In Shipley's case the full name, displayed on the box, was Shipley Bingley (etc) Junction, so no room for confusion there.

Perhaps I should have said

but (generally, I think) they weren't.

 

[30907]

And Dockfield for the junction for the Baildon line to Ilkley.

Dockfield Junction, when it had its own box, was Shipley Guiseley Junction.

 

[Ploughman]

Due to the amount of boxes in the area we never referred to Shipley Guiseley jcn as anything but Dockfield.
It saved confusing locations.

 

[Ken H]

There was also a signalbox called Thackley Junction at the west end of Thackley Tunnels. The southern bore was out of use in the 1970's when I used that line a lot. But it was 4 track from there to the Shipley triangle, paired by use. The CWR on the north pair had non standard sleepers and fittings, not Pandrol. Only ever got diverted onto the southern pair once.

edit - found this https://signalbox.org/diagrams.php?id=1101

Does anyone remember the fun with DMU travelling Leeds-Skipton. Going towards Skipton you would go on the North curve (no platform on that side then) towards Bingley, then set back into the platforms on the West curve with the guard instructing the driver with buzzer signals.

Coming back you stopped at the west curve platforms, The driver changed ends . It then went on towards Bradford with the guard instructing the driver, again by via buzzer signals. Then back through the East curve platforms without stopping.

 

[Silverdale]

When I first started work on the P.Way at Crewe, we were installing a new junction on the WCML near Milford, between tracks as opposed to with a diverging route. It was described so often as "the new junction by the white house", it was eventually named "Whitehouse Junction".

That would be around 1980. The junction was remodelled in the WCML upgrade, but retained the name.

There is now no trace of the white house.

 

[Silverdale]

Junction Road Junction has always puzzled me.

Presumably the Junction is named after Junction Road, but what was Junction Road named after?

 

[snowball]

Junction Road Junction has always puzzled me.

Presumably the Junction is named after Junction Road, but what was Junction Road named after?

It was probably named after Castle Rising Castle.