Off peak - journey break?

[CosherB]

I'll be travelling Whitby to Manchester soon, with an 'off peak' ticket. Can I break the journey at York (which we stop at) to look in at the NRM?

 

[Mojo]

I'll be travelling Whitby to Manchester soon, with an 'off peak' ticket. Can I break the journey at York (which we stop at) to look in at the NRM?

Yes. The restriction code for a Whitby to Manchester Stns SVR is 2M and Break of Journey is permitted on both legs.

Note however that if you hold a Manchester Stns to Whitby SVR (ie. with the origin and destination reversed) then the SVR has a restriction code 8A and Break of Journey is not permitted on the outward portion.

 

[CosherB]

Thanks Mojo. That's great!

 

[yorkie]

Is this a day trip? if so, you may wish to use a combination of tickets such as Whitby-York, York-Manchester (or save a further £4 splitting at Church Fenton instead of York, however this is unlikely to be worth it)

 

[CosherB]

No, it's a couple of days Yorkie and actually Wilmslow to Whitby return. Splitting at York comes out at £43.30 (with SRC), booking right through it's £39.

 

[yorkie]

Wilmslow, not Manchester?

In that case the restriction code is not 2M; it's 8A. This is valid "on any train" however you are not officially allowed to break your journey (ie, leave station premises other than to connect with a train from another station etc...) on the outward portion. Obviously this is not enforceable, especially not at York, however I couldn't possibly condone such a breach of the rules, at least not on a publicly-viewable forum

 

[button_boxer]

Wilmslow, not Manchester?

In that case the restriction code is not 2M; it's 8A. This is valid "on any train" however you are not officially allowed to break your journey (ie, leave station premises other than to connect with a train from another station etc...) on the outward portion.

So the OP should be fine stopping at York on the return half (of a Wilmslow to Whitby SVR), which seems to be what is proposed here.

 

[yorkie]

So the OP should be fine stopping at York on the return half (of a Wilmslow to Whitby SVR), which seems to be what is proposed here.

Reading between the lines yes, it had been assumed the OP held a Whitby to Manchester Return, but now it appears to be a Wilmslow to Whitby Return. Changing one of the stations and the direction can completely change the validity of a ticket (indeed just one of those can completely change the validity!) If a question is asked about a specific ticket, we really do need to know exactly what ticket it is to be able to advise.

 

[CosherB]

Indeed, the York break will be on the return leg, Whitby - Wilmslow.

There seem to be some arcane ond overly complex rules regarding rail ticketing. Why on earth should it make any difference if I start my journey at Manchester or Wilmslow (starting from Wilmslow entails going via Manchester, so from Manchester onwards the two journeys are identical).

 

[LexyBoy]

There seem to be some arcane ond overly complex rules regarding rail ticketing. Why on earth should it make any difference if I start my journey at Manchester or Wilmslow (starting from Wilmslow entails going via Manchester, so from Manchester onwards the two journeys are identical).

You’ve spotted that then! This forum would be a lot less busy if the same restrictions applied to all tickets of a given type!

The reason of course is that different flows are priced by different operators, who have differing policies on what the restrictions should be. In addition, when changes are made they are often only to a fraction of flows priced by that operator (i.e. the most profitable/busy ones), leaving inconsistent pricing and/or restrictions on tickets from nearby stations. And who gets to price each flow? Well, that’s determined by a series of arcane and overly complex rules, along with a bit of screaming and shouting at ATOC for the right to price lucrative flows (depending on whether said complex and arcane rules would make it advantageous to do so).

(Also, in before “Simple” :P)