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So, I'm new to all this but do greatly enjoy reading everyone's reports on their trips so thought I'd ask for some tips as I plan my own. I'm just getting into these Rover tickets (regrettably just before my 16-25 railcard expires!) - I did the NE one back in March and have decided to do the NW Rover this weekend, which being a Bank Holiday means only one day off work required! I'd like to work out a rough plan of what I'd like to see so I make the most of the time. I've done the S&C and Tyne Valley (for which you get validity to Hexham - I did the whole thing to Newcastle in March), but otherwise virtually the whole area is unchartered territory in rail terms (although I'm not ruling out revisiting either of those two either).

I'll be arriving in Leeds just after 9am on Saturday (7.12 from Nottingham, change at Chesterfield, advance ticket) and am booked into a hotel in Preston for Saturday night (it seemed a conveniently central place for the ticket, and not too pricey even at quite short notice). Sunday I'm planning to start on the 'Dalesrail' across to the S&C, jump back across the Little North Western and then wend my way up to Carlisle, where I'm stopping Sunday & Monday nights. Monday will be devoted to the Cumbrian Coast, including a trip on the Ravenglass & Eskdale, returning to Carlisle at the end of the day.
Tuesday I have no specific plans, other than that I need to be back in Nottingham at a reasonably civil hour! I've not booked anything yet, but I'll be looking at leaving Leeds/Manchester at around 7pm.

I'm therefore open to suggestions for Saturday and Tuesday in particular. I've checked for Engineering Works and can't see anything likely to cause major disruption. Any special workings worth hunting out (eg steam specials, diversions)? I'd like to get in some scenery, and aim for a bit of variety in traction - I'm not too fussed about 'bashing' track just for the sake of covering it. I'd particularly like to visit some Pennine routes/stations (Hebden Bridge, Huddersfield, Stalybridge - for the buffet!) and think that might be where I start on Saturday. It might also be convenient if I landed in Preston around 2ish to check in at the hotel and dump my stuff before heading back out for the rest of the day. I'm also considering heading to Blackpool (on Bank Holiday weekend - yes, more fool me!) and possibly enjoying a tram ride, maybe on Saturday afternoon/evening.

I'll happily post some reports at the end if people would like them. I could give some sketchy reports from my holiday in Cornwall and the NE Rover back in March as well, although I didn't write anything down so it will be from memory!
 
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Supposedly steam on Settle - Carlisle on the Sunday.

Copy Pit, Wigan - Southport, Preston - Ormskirk are interesting routes.

TPE 350s and services via Victoria.
 

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That rover covers a LOT so you'll be in your element! I've wanted to do a North West Rover for years, so I'm jealous!

I'll be interested in the trip report should you do one!

I can't advise on anything special happening up there this weekend, and it sounds like you've got a lot of the best stuff planned already. A trip to Windermere is nice mind, I enjoyed my trip along the branch in June 2012 :)

I also recommend Heysham Port for the experience. Nothing exciting about it mind, but it's almost a badge of honour to get it covered due to the limited service. I had a 142 (033 possibly) on it when I did it jn June 2012, which was an experience, belting it up the WCML as fast as we could until turning off for Morecambe.

Sure to have a good time, and I would recommend a Preston to Carlisle trip on a 390 for the tilting through the lovely scenery. Don't forget it's also valid to Dumfries and Lockerbie, so take advantage of the chance to ride a Scottish 156 to Dumfries and a 350/4 to Lockerbie. I mean, that's what I would do!
 

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I would highly recommend a trip to Dumfries - lovely little station there (sadly I only had 10 mins between trains so didn't get to explore ). Not sure the words 'enjoyable' and 'Blackpool' go together but it's good for the experience. Not sure if you can do a PlusBus with the rover but I see no reason why not - it's valid on trams as far as Thornton IIRC and is cheaper than the Blackpool Trsnsport ticket for it. Try and do North and South lines whilst there - and good luck negotiating the staff at North! Heysham Port is a must just for the rarity value! Windermere also a good option too :)
 

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I agree with Techniquest and Crossover, Heysham Port would be brilliant to do.
Also, since you are out on a sunday, it would be good to try and get the Clitheroe to Hellifield branch in, just because it has so little trains running. I also agree about Windermere.

Hope you have a good trip!
 

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Thanks for the replies. I think this is one of the best value rover tickets out there.

I was considering Windermere so shall definitely fit it in if I can, likewise Heysham and the other things suggested. I'm going to try to start some more detailed planning tonight.
 

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I will write up a more detailed report when I have a little more time, but I've had a very enjoyable few days' travelling. I changed my itinerary a bit as the weather forecast wasn't so good for Monday (in fact it was overcast with just a little bit of rain in the North West - I gather it was somewhat wetter further south!). I did the Cumbrian Coast today instead, and the weather was truly amazing, barely a cloud in the sky, which made the trip so much more enjoyable, so definitely the right decision.

More to follow, as I say.
 

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Glad you had a good and enjoyable trip, I'll look forward to reading your write up :) Plenty of trip reports on the forum of all manners of styles for you to be inspired by, I've got more than a few on here :lol:
 

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Day 1 – Saturday

I know some people here start these things at 5am – I wasn’t up that early but did get on the bus into Nottingham at about 6.40am in good time for the 0712 Northern service to Leeds. I had time for a Sausage Cob and a Hot Chocolate from the Pumpkin (now issuing buy 8 get 9 free cards – not such a good deal!) before I crossed to board the obligatory 2-car Class 158, which wasn’t busy (as you’d expect at that time on a Saturday morning) so I secured a table to myself. On my advance ticket I was booked to change at Chesterfield onto the Cross Country service which would provide a quicker journey to Leeds – we arrived on Platform 3 which was unusual (for me, at least). Just before the Class 221 arrived at Platform 1 for the 0803 to Edinburgh, a Railtour led by 47843 ‘Vulcan’ from Doncaster to Great Yarmouth pulled into the opposite platform – I think it was topped and tailed but didn’t see what loco was on the back. Chesterfield Station was surprisingly busy for an early Saturday morning – I think there were quite a few people going down to the Challenge Cup Final in London. The journey to Leeds was uneventful and again not too busy.

From Leeds, I was into rover territory. I decided to cover some of the southern part of the area today, so began on the 0920 Transpennine service (class 185) as far as Huddersfield, where I jumped out to take a look at the very fine station buildings (the Head of Steam wasn’t open yet though!). I then caught the following 0956 Transpennine service into Manchester Piccadilly (2 x class 170). I made a quick sortie out to Ian Allan on Piccadilly Approach but couldn’t tempt myself with anything, so returned swiftly to catch the 1050 Arriva Trains Wales service across to Chester. After climbing up to Platform 14, I found a mighty throng on the platform, perhaps to be expected on a bank holiday weekend, so by the time the 3-car Class 175 was leaving most of the seats were taken. It gradually filled up more at Oxford Road and the various other stops so there were soon people standing in the vestibules. I like the Class 175s – they seem well-made, the seats are comfortable, line up with the windows and provide decent legroom, but this journey was slow (a lot of intermediate stops) and not particularly pleasant (due to the crowds) and was probably my least favourite of the whole trip.

The weather had turned damp and drizzly by the time we arrived into Chester, and the ticket barriers couldn’t cope with the large number of people trying to leave the station. I popped outside briefly, but found the station to be dull and unexciting, so quickly joined the next Merseyrail service up to Liverpool, the 1215. They’ve done a decent job with the Class 507s, although it’s difficult to get a good window view. The journey isn’t quick with all the stops, so by the time we arrived at James Street I was more than ready to get off. I headed for a wander round Albert Dock (the weather had improved by this time) before making my way through the centre and finding a Nando’s near Queen’s Square which wasn’t too busy, earning another ‘chilli’ on my Nando’s card.

My next plan was to get up to Preston where I had my hotel booked for the night, so I headed to Lime Street and down to the Merseyrail platforms for one stop on the 1503 service round to Central (it was headed for New Brighton), where I switched onto the 1510 to Ormskirk. This had a few Everton fans on heading up for their 5.30pm kick-off, but wasn’t too busy. We arrived punctually at Ormskirk and I took the quick stroll up the platform to interchange onto the 1551 service to Preston, and 153351 was pulling in moments after we arrived. This was a pleasant run through the countryside, a good recommendation. We were into Preston at about 1620, so I headed off to dump my bags at the Premier Inn about 5 minutes from the station.

I planned to spend the rest of the day in Blackpool, so headed back to the station and found the next train was the 1648 Northern service to Blackpool North, formed of a 3-car Class 158 (presumably from York). On arrival, I tried my Rover in the barriers but it didn’t work, so showed it to the man on the gate line who let me through without a word or a change from the glum facial expression. By this time the weather was pleasant and sunny, so I made my way down to the sea front intending to take a tram ride. I was aware they were running heritage trams but hadn’t examined the options closely, and a single-decker open-top car was being moved from one track to the other, providing a good photo opportunity. However, just after 1730 a double-decker open-topper arrived heading for Fleetwood and for £5 return I couldn’t say no! The top deck was already pretty full, but it soon emptied out a little and I found some space upstairs. It was a really nice ride (if a little breezy!), full of enthusiasts who all jumped out when we reached Fleetwood Ferry, armed with their cameras. I managed to swap to the seaward side for the latter part of the return journey and snapped busily on my phone. We headed back to the depot, arriving just after 1900 with everyone waiting to watch the tram make its way back inside.

I headed back to the front, bought some chips from Harry Ramsdens and then wandered southwards, intending to head to Blackpool South Station. It was quite a distance, so I had to walk quite briskly from the South Pier inland in order to catch the 2021, but it was pulling in as I arrived, a Class 150/1 & 142 combo. I boarded the former (as anyone who knows anything about trains surely would!), at the front of the train. A large number of people boarded at the Pleasure Beach, although most probably got on the back unit. We had a minor delay at St Anne’s as the guard announced an abusive passenger was refusing to leave the train and we would have to wait for the Police, but the announcement presumably had its intended effect and after a short delay we were on our way back to Preston. I hung around the station to watch a few trains coming and going before heading back to the Premier Inn to turn in for the night, falling asleep towards the end of Match of the Day!
 

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Great report!
 

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I wasn't sure if my first posting had made it, but I think it was awaiting moderator approval? Here is the rest, anyway...

Day 2 – Sunday

I had booked myself breakfast in my Premier Inn for Sunday morning – I know it’s not the cheapest but I thought availing myself of the buffet would be the best way to get a good selection in for the morning. In this it was successful! I checked out and headed off to Preston Station in order to seek out the Sunday only ‘Dalesrail’ service across to the Settle and Carlisle, which starts out from Blackpool North. This was on time at 0905, formed of a 153/158 combo (the same 153 as on the Ormskirk branch yesterday). I wasn’t sure if this was overkill, but on a sunny morning it turned out that it definitely wasn’t, and although I secured a table on the 158, as we progressed along to Blackburn and up to Clitheroe the train got pretty full and by Hellifield there weren’t many empty seats. I left the train at Settle as I’d never actually got out here before, so had a brief wander into the town, which is barely 5 minutes’ walk from the station.

As promised above, there was indeed a steam train on the S&C, ‘The Waverley’ from York via Leeds. As Network Rail will not allow steam under the roof at York, it is diesel-hauled to Hellifield, and as we started the ‘Long Drag’ I just caught a glimpse of the steam locomotive making its way across from Carnforth to Hellifield. To get a better view, I left Settle on the 1104 to Leeds, a 3-car 158, and a fair number of people were boarding at Settle on the first southbound train of the day on a Sunday. I made the short trip to Hellifield, where the steam loco (LMS No. 5699 ‘Galatea’, in maroon livery) was waiting on the goods loop. After a short while it shunted out and a Class 47 brought the railtour in, while I enjoyed possibly the best value tub of ice-cream from the buffet on the platform (just £1).

However, I had to head on as my Class 142 trundled in on the 1149 to Morecambe for my first trip over the Little North Western. I’d put this trip down as pleasant but not spectacular (and on a Pacer, pretty lively!). I travelled to Carnforth, where I wanted to get out and explore the restored station, and a terrific job they’ve done too at the visitor centre. As it was now lunchtime, I visited the Refreshment Room and enjoyed a Hot Chocolate and an excellent piece of Sticky Date Cake. I then joined the 1309 Transpennine service southwards to Lancaster, the ubiquitous Class 185.

At Lancaster I crossed the platform to get my ‘badge of honour’ in the form of the 1326 to Heysham Harbour, formed of a Class 156. About half a dozen people travelled through to Heysham and headed into the ferry terminal, but I was the only passenger on the return 1405 departure until others joined at Morecambe. Nothing spectacular to see, but I’ve been there now, even if I wouldn’t again!

I arrived back at Lancaster in time for the 1438 Pendolino which I joined as far as Oxenholme, having decided that Lancaster station was decidedly dull. I arrived at Oxenholme to find it is equally dull (if not more so), and rather in the middle of nowhere, being a ‘railhead’ for the area as much as anything else. My purpose was to travel the Windermere branch; I contemplated refreshment from the Café Express, but decided against the push button Hot Chocolate and opted only for a Dark Chocolate Kit Kat!

The Class 185 pulled in with time to spare before the scheduled 1535 departure, but we waited for the connecting northbound Transpennine service and so fell a couple of minutes behind time. This soon escalated as the lights at the level crossing at Burneside were stuck, and we must have waited about 10 minutes before we could advance down the branch. The ride offers a good view across to the mountains of the Lake District, but I was now becoming concerned I would miss the connection into my northbound service onwards up the WCML! We were scheduled to return from Windermere at 1558, but left about 12 minutes late, and didn’t really make up time on the return journey, so I knew it would be touch and go as to whether I would make the 1628 Transpennine service; in the event it was running 4 minutes late so all was well! This was formed of a Class 350/4 which was pretty comfortable, and I found the ride through the Lake District quite exhilarating, perhaps helped by not stopping at Penrith.

I alighted at Carlisle on Platform 1 to find Galatea and ‘The Waverley’ on Platform 3 waiting to head back down the S&C, so I stopped with the photographers to await its departure before heading into town to find my accommodation at the Crown and Mitre Hotel where I was booked for the next two nights. The Hotel is currently covered in scaffolding as they are renovating the frontage, but my room was fine and I’d found a good value rate which included dinner. I also enjoyed a swim in the pool before dinner and then went for a brief wander in Carlisle, calling in at the station which is a fine building and in my experience a good place to watch trains go by. It was then back to the hotel for MOTD2 and bed!


Day 3 – Monday

Monday began with a good buffet breakfast – bonus points to the Crown and Mitre for including black pudding in their selection! My original plan, as I said above, was to go down the Cumbrian Coast and loop back up to Carlisle, but I knew the weather forecast wasn’t so good for today so I decided to amend my plans and head for the Pennines.

This began on the 0853 to Leeds, just a 2-car Class 158 which was not busy on leaving Carlisle, so I had the comfort of a table seat. Little needs saying about the S&C, it remains a great experience which everyone should do, and I got talking to a couple from Canada who were travelling to London this way due to the engineering works at Watford blocking the WCML. They very much enjoyed the scenery from Kirkby Stephen southwards. As we progressed the train gradually filled up, notably at Settle, by which time there were few spare seats left and I wondered if it might have been better if we had a longer train! Perhaps it was busier on a Bank Holiday than it usually is.

I left the train at Skipton to connect into the 1103 to Bradford Forster Square. The café was closed and the toilets locked (you had to ask for a key – I couldn’t be bothered!) so I jumped straight on to the Class 333. I was very impressed with the quality of these, although the public address was rather loud! The toilet was showing engaged, which remained so until the Conductor eventually opened it. It was good to travel a different side of the triangle at Shipley, but Forster Square was very nondescript indeed!

I made the short walk across town to Bradford Interchange with ease, and this station was equally unexciting, albeit with more facilities. As it had a Pumpkin kiosk, I got myself a Hot Chocolate (still with 20% off with my Bite card!) before jumping onto the 1200 service to Huddersfield as far as Halifax (a 3-car Class 144). I could have waited at Bradford, but decided to gain a variety of traction and stations, so had a wait of 10 minutes or so in the rain at Halifax for the 1226 to Manchester Victoria, a Class 150/2. This was busy, although a number of people got off at the various stations en route across the Pennines. The weather was pretty dreary, but I still enjoyed the trip and it is quite scenic. I would have liked to get out at Hebden Bridge, but this would have delayed my journey to Manchester, so I stayed on through to Victoria. I do admire the station, the epitome of faded glory, and hopefully it will get as good a refurbishment as St Pancras. I had a little wander outside the station before returning to the Java Bar for a Belgian Waffle and another Hot Chocolate.

Time was already getting on so I began to head back northwards, beginning on the 1403 service to Clitheroe as far as Blackburn, a Class 156. I changed at Blackburn onto the 1503 to Blackpool South, a Class 142, as far as Preston, before joining the 1537 Pendolino for the run back up to Carlisle. Nothing particularly new or interesting in these trips – they were more a matter of practicality. I found the trip through the Lake District less exciting on the Pendolino – perhaps because they are more designed for high speed. The train was pretty busy, and I was relieved it was an 11-coach version.

I arrived back in Carlisle at around 5pm, so headed to the Cathedral for Evensong at 5.30pm before going back to the hotel for another swim and then dinner in the bar so I could watch the Manchester City v Liverpool match on the TV. All very pleasant indeed!


Day 4 – Tuesday

Tuesday was Cumbrian Coast day, then, and it dawned bright and sunny. I had to be up bright and early for breakfast (no black pudding today, although there were hash browns) in order to check out and then get to the station for the 0838 departure. I noticed that on Monday this was a single Class 153, which concerned me a little, so I was pleased to see a Class 156 pull in. In the end, it wasn’t that busy and I secured a table seat on the coast side. The first 40 minutes or so to Maryport isn’t especially interesting, but for the following hour of the journey to Ravenglass I was on the edge of my seat as we never strayed far from the sea, crawling from Harrington to Parton at 15mph perhaps being the highlight. A journey I’ve never taken before, and one I would absolutely want to do again, albeit assisted on this occasion by the excellent weather.

Of course, a journey round the Cumbrian Coast wouldn’t be complete without the obligatory diversion at Ravenglass onto ‘L’al Ratty’, so I made the short walk to the R&E station and purchased my return ticket with 10% discount before joining the 1025 departure for Dalegarth, with ‘River Irt’, the oldest 15 inch gauge locomotive in the world, at the helm. I managed to secure the last open carriage space which remained, making for a very pleasant 40-minute journey. The length of the trip feels just right, the scenery is quite splendid, and the trains feel very sweet indeed. I didn’t intend to do very much at Dalegarth, so after watching the loco being turned I re-joined the train for the 1130 departure which left as soon as the incoming arrival headed into the opposite platform.

We arrived back into Ravenglass at about 1215, and I could have headed straight back to the station as a southbound train was due just minutes later, but I elected to spend the following hour wandering around Ravenglass. It’s a very small place, with few shops, but it is in a lovely setting, and I enjoyed wandering down to the water’s edge and found some tea rooms where enjoyed a piece of Lemon Drizzle Cake and an ice-cream. In order to photograph the pretty view coming into Ravenglass across the bridge, I first joined the 1316 departure northbound for just one stop to Drigg (a class 156), crossing over to then join the 1324 to Barrow (2 x class 153), which was running a few minutes late. Neither train was remotely busy. The journey on from Ravenglass down to Barrow was still pleasant, although not quite as spectacular as the section further north.

On arrival at Barrow, I joined the Class 185 as soon as it arrived at Platform 1 ready for the 1440 departure southwards to Manchester. A table seat offered a welcome chance to boost the charge on my phone, which had suffered from the amount of pictures I was taking! Again, the scenery was pleasant but not as spectacular as the section further north. I did some calculations and decided that I should stay on this train through to Manchester, which at over 2 hours felt like rather a long trip. We had a 10-minute stop at Preston while another unit from Blackpool joined us and we then moved forward via Wigan and Bolton to arrive in Manchester at around 1700. I was hoping a refreshment trolley would join us at Preston but none was forthcoming.

I immediately headed to Sainsbury’s to stock up on water which wasn’t extortionately priced, before deciding I hadn’t time to fit in a stop for food in the buffet at Stalybridge, so I joined the 1725 service for the run straight back across to Leeds. This was standing room only out of Manchester, although the conductor apologised for the short formation, so maybe it is usually six cars rather than three. I found a window seat in any case, and the train emptied out at Stalybridge and Huddersfield. The automatic announcements were convinced we would also call at Dewsbury, meaning the conductor had to announce several times that we weren’t! After Stalybridge he came round to make a ticket check, and on my 31st and final journey using my rover was the first member of staff to look at it with complete bewilderment before handing it back to me! I must have looked slightly sheepish as I put my ticket away – it feels slightly awkward to know more than the staff!

We had a short delay outside Leeds, but I still had a good 40 minutes before my booked departure back to Nottingham, so I headed for Burger King to grab a take away and then bought some Cookies from Millie’s to make the most of my Bite card discount! I then returned to the platforms for my 1905 Northern departure for Nottingham, ending the trip as I started it on a Class 158. I find Northern’s versions comfortable, with the wide, padded seats which all line up with the windows, preferable to the refurbished EMT versions with their tall, hard seats where they’ve packed in as many as they can. I spent most of this journey doing the puzzles from the ‘I’ paper I’d bought at Chesterfield on the Saturday morning! Arrival at Nottingham was a couple of minutes early and my housemate kindly picked me up to save me waiting for the bus back home.


Overall, a very enjoyable few days' break. I achieved pretty much everything I wanted to, with Tuesday morning on the Cumbrian Coast being the highlight, closely followed by the Tram at Blackpool. I could have travelled for longer on some days but wanted some time to relax as well which I achieved. The ticket is exceptional value really, the seven day version even more so, and there is loads to see within the area it covers.
 

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Enjoyed the read all in and glad to see you had an excellent time on a rover.

Won't be long until you do another one I suspect!
 

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I've done three in six months! Even better as delay repay from Virgin has paid for two of them!
 
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