Nottinghamshire & Derbyshire Bus News

[m79900]

Why stop at Burton? A Nottingham to Hanley via Derby coach service would be great!

 

[markymark2000]

Why stop at Burton? A Nottingham to Hanley via Derby coach service would be great!

You could.

I was merely trying to keep within the existing network though seeing as clearly TrentBarton don't want to expand out of their current boundaries

 

[station_road]

To be fair, just some decent Volvo B8 Evoras would be ok for the route. The coaches are nice and I would hate to see them go but at the same time, the route isn't that long and a service bus could more than sufficiently handle the loads. That's before you look at the fact the coaches aren't really accessible as you couldn't safely deploy the wheelchair lift at Nottingham Victoria or in the Red Arrow stands at Derby Bus Station. Other stops depends on surrounding street furniture.

It is a shame that the Red Arrow is kept so short, I think it would have great potential merging it with the Trent X38 trips to Burton. Give a competetive edge against Arriva and it enables and encourages longer distance journeys to be done on the service rather than forcing everyone to change.

I wouldn't have any problems with low floor buses on the Red Arrow but based on passenger numbers when YourBus ran express buses people do prefer the coaches. The wheelchair lifts are fine at Derby and Nottingham, I have seen them used many times with no issues.

The X38 is a joint route with Arriva so they are not trying to compete.

Some Red Arrow journeys used to run to Chesterfield (now a separate route as The Comet) and timekeeping was terrible, so keeping them as different routes was a deliberate thing.

 

[tram21]

To be fair, just some decent Volvo B8 Evoras would be ok for the route. The coaches are nice and I would hate to see them go but at the same time, the route isn't that long and a service bus could more than sufficiently handle the loads. That's before you look at the fact the coaches aren't really accessible as you couldn't safely deploy the wheelchair lift at Nottingham Victoria or in the Red Arrow stands at Derby Bus Station. Other stops depends on surrounding street furniture.

It is a shame that the Red Arrow is kept so short, I think it would have great potential merging it with the Trent X38 trips to Burton. Give a competetive edge against Arriva and it enables and encourages longer distance journeys to be done on the service rather than forcing everyone to change.

I agree Evoras would be great, or some quite high capacity single deckers

 

[markymark2000]

I wouldn't have any problems with low floor buses on the Red Arrow but based on passenger numbers when YourBus ran express buses people do prefer the coaches. The wheelchair lifts are fine at Derby and Nottingham, I have seen them used many times with no issues.

I don't know how the lifts can be used at Derby and Nottingham, there isn't the space. As for Trent vs Yourbus, did people just prefer at that point Trent Barton were 'the really good bus company'? Did people use the larger TrentBarton network at either end of the route (rather than the smaller Yourbus network)? There's lot of possible reasons why people chose Yourbus versus Trentbarton. If it's a high spec Evora, it's not much different to coaches. The TrawsCymru Evoras for example are very high spec and would be perfect for such a route. If you compare the coaches against a bog standard E200MMC though, you will find that passengers would prefer the coaches.

The X38 is a joint route with Arriva so they are not trying to compete.

Even on joint routes, operators try to win some passengers. Especially when the X38 isn't a proper joint route. Most tickets from the other operator aren't accepted. It's not very good for passengers as a combined route.

Some Red Arrow journeys used to run to Chesterfield (now a separate route as The Comet) and timekeeping was terrible, so keeping them as different routes was a deliberate thing.

Bit of a difference Chesterfield to Burton on Trent. Double the distance for a start.

 

[Deerfold]

Even on joint routes, operators try to win some passengers. Especially when the X38 isn't a proper joint route. Most tickets from the other operator aren't accepted. It's not very good for passengers as a combined route.

It wouldn't be so bad if they ran alternate trips, but if you've just missed a bus your ticket was valid on, it could be 90 minutes until the next one, even when there's a bus every 30.

 

[43055]

It wouldn't be so bad if they ran alternate trips, but if you've just missed a bus your ticket was valid on, it could be 90 minutes until the next one, even when there's a bus every 30.

Which was probably down to when the Arriva side was run out of Burton and Trent was Derby.

 

[MasterSpenny]

Bus got stolen in Nottingham

https://twitter.com/nottspolice/status/1694258298973733182?s=20

Police have released images of a man they wish to trace after a bus was stolen. A bus driver parked his empty vehicle in Peveril Drive near Castle Boulevard at 7.40pm on Friday 4 August so that he could have a short break.

 

[Nottingham59]

Bus got stolen in Nottingham

From the police website:
"The bus is a purple Indigo Trent Barton bus which travels from Nottingham city centre to Long Eaton then Derby.

"At 7.55pm, near Maid Marian Way, the stolen bus caused the driver of a silver Volkswagen Golf to veer out of its way causing the car’s tyres to burst.

"The bus was recovered shortly afterwards."

 

[edwin_m]

From the police website:
"The bus is a purple Indigo Trent Barton bus which travels from Nottingham city centre to Long Eaton then Derby.

"At 7.55pm, near Maid Marian Way, the stolen bus caused the driver of a silver Volkswagen Golf to veer out of its way causing the car’s tyres to burst.

"The bus was recovered shortly afterwards."

Didn't get very far then. Peveril Drive is the diverging road just SW of the Castle rock, which disappears into the Park Estate via a residents only barrier, so the bus must have been right at the Castle end. Maid Marian way starts about 100 yards away.

 

[BJames]

Didn't get very far then. Peveril Drive is the diverging road just SW of the Castle rock, which disappears into the Park Estate via a residents only barrier, so the bus must have been right at the Castle end. Maid Marian way starts about 100 yards away.

Indeed, last time I walked down that way I noticed there are "bus stand" markings painted onto the road exactly where you describe, just before the barrier, certainly where it was parked up (I can't remember if it's one or two bus lengths) - I've never actually seen it used before although I rarely went into town that way.

 

[cnjb8]

Didn't get very far then. Peveril Drive is the diverging road just SW of the Castle rock, which disappears into the Park Estate via a residents only barrier, so the bus must have been right at the Castle end. Maid Marian way starts about 100 yards away.

Indeed, last time I walked down that way I noticed there are "bus stand" markings painted onto the road exactly where you describe, just before the barrier, certainly where it was parked up (I can't remember if it's one or two bus lengths) - I've never actually seen it used before although I rarely went into town that way.

Do drivers not take their breaks at Manvers Street depot?

 

[BJames]

Do drivers not take their breaks at Manvers Street depot?

I've just had a look on Google Maps and found the spot above. Looks like two bus lengths. As I said I have never actually seen a bus in here but based on the description in the report this is where the driver had parked up. I've seen i4 drivers sometimes drive their bus round and have a break in Mount Street (round from Angel Row). I don't work for trentbarton no idea where they are supposed to take their breaks unfortunately

 

[edwin_m]

Haven't been down there for some years but I used to walk by twice every workday. The work to the right looks fairly recent and may be an easing of the turn to allow buses to get round. Possibly a compensating measure when closure of the previous Broadmarsh bus station meant buses couldn't wait there.

 

[MCR247]

Yes since the old Broadmarsh closed there’ll often be TB buses parked around town such as Mount St, the spot by Castle Boulevard and at Arkwright Street by the station

 

[BJames]

Ah Broadmarsh closure, of course. Makes sense.

 

[Skymonster]

Notts and Derby’s final trips on the 142 Nether Heage - Belper - Crich - Alfreton (and 150 Alfreton - Matlock) are at the end of next week. Once term time starts again N&D will be short of vehicles and drivers so it’ll go back to TM Travel. In a way that‘ll be a shame because since N&D took over for the school holidays the service has been very robust and reliable with high-quality vehicles deployed each day. TM then have it until October after which the contract ends and the latest crew scuttlebutt is it’ll go to an on-demand / book in advance minibus service.

 

[tram21]

Notts and Derby’s final trips on the 142 Nether Heage - Belper - Crich - Alfreton (and 150 Alfreton - Matlock) are at the end of next week. Once term time starts again N&D will be short of vehicles and drivers so it’ll go back to TM Travel. In a way that‘ll be a shame because since N&D took over for the school holidays the service has been very robust and reliable with high-quality vehicles deployed each day. TM then have it until October after which the contract ends and the latest crew scuttlebutt is it’ll go to an on-demand / book in advance minibus service.

Run by who I wonder. As long as there's an app, DRTs are good. Call up services not so much

 

[derbybusdepot]

Diamond finish on the 9/9a in Derby in October. Have heard this will be run by Derbyshire community transport. The free service around Spondon that they (DCT) operate is expected to finish at the same time. Remains to be seen if two routes will be somewhat merged.

 

[ricoblade]

Just seen this on The Sheffield Stir's website, hope it gets publicised and used.

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/traf...-sheffield-glossop-a57-new-timetables-4270626

Snake Pass bus: Sheffield to Glossop bus across A57 included in new timetables​

Bus across Snake Pass included in latest timetable changes announced by officials


A Snake Pass bus service is to run at weekends, under plans revealed by transport bosses.
The route is among a number of services outlines by Travel South Yorkshire, among a string of changes to timetables.

The service , the number 257, will be operated by Hulleys of Baslow, and will operate on Sundays.

The timetable changes state of the route: "Sheffield - Derwent - Bakewell/Castleton: From September 3 there will be timetable changes on all days of the week. There will also be additional evening journeys on Mondays to Saturdays.

"On Sundays, buses do not serve Bamford but instead extend over Snake Pass to Glossop, Hayfield, Chapel-en-le-Firth and Castleton."

A previous service across the snake pass was withdrawn in January 2022 because it did not attracted enough passengers to make it viable.
There was upset when the service was withdrawn.
Those who raised complaints at the time included the High Peak MP Robert Largan, who said at the time: “I am really disappointed that the X57 bus service will be withdrawn from January."

Mod note: please edit to include a quote from the article. Thanks - NP, done.

 

[markymark2000]

257 has been running over to Glossop on Sundays for months as it Interworks with the 61 that they started back in March 2023.

 

[johnnychips]

257 has been running over to Glossop on Sundays for months as it Interworks with the 61 that they started back in March 2023.

I think people considered it might be a summer-only service; it seems it will continue.

 

[ricoblade]

257 has been running over to Glossop on Sundays for months as it Interworks with the 61 that they started back in March 2023.

I think people considered it might be a summer-only service; it seems it will continue.

Thanks! I never knew that, (I do know about the Sunday Fairholmes service) and had previously checked bustimes.org where it does not appear to be listed.

 

[Llandudno]

6 months ago Bakewell had no bus services after about 6.30 pm, now it will have

6.1 Hourly evening service to/from Matlock, Bakewell & Derby (last bus Bakewell to Matlock 2345)
170a Every 2 hours to Chesterfield/Matlock (last bus Matlock to Bakewell midnight!)
218 Every 2 hours to/from Sheffield
257 New evening service including a 2330 bus from Sheffield arriving Bakewell 0025!

Great to see, but overkill really!

Elsewhere the last bus between Mansfield and Chesterfield is 1935!

 

[adrianjohnson]

According to bustimes.org ( https://bustimes.org/operators/notts-and-derby/vehicles ) Notts & Derby 484 is in the green/blue livery. Any reason why it isn't in the same grey as the Enviro from Lothian?

 

[m79900]

According to bustimes.org ( https://bustimes.org/operators/notts-and-derby/vehicles ) Notts & Derby 484 is in the green/blue livery. Any reason why it isn't in the same grey as the Enviro from Lothian?

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The livery applied to the Lothian enviros was to promote them having greener engines. The green/blue livery is still their current scheme.

 

[ALEMASTER]

257 has been running over to Glossop on Sundays for months as it Interworks with the 61 that they started back in March 2023.

The September change to the Sunday service is to the route between Glossop and Castleton to replace the withdrawn 61 - it will go via New Mills.

 

[tram21]

The first of 20 new Trentbarton Enviro200 MMC's was delivered today, registered YX73 OUD in the Threes livery

 

[m79900]

The first of 20 new Trentbarton Enviro200 MMC's was delivered today, registered YX73 OUD in the Threes livery

Do you have a photo?

 

[tram21]

Do you have a photo?

I don't personally, I found a photo on a fb group.

See if this link works for you: https://www.facebook.com/groups/fansofthewellgladegroup/permalink/1257714544921943/