There is certainly a lot more than 'just a bit of promotion' but promotion has been proven to generate growth. Transdev reported when they first started in Rosso that in their first 18 months, they got 15% more people onto buses. They managed that by spending time growing the route.
This is very true. But High Peak are cutting a tourist based route, right in the summer when usage is likely to go up.
Is is a sweeping statement. As I said though there are a number of exceptions to this but yes, as a general thing. I would say yes. There are far worse that I could call people.
Yes.
That would be January 2018 - June 2019: quite a different situation to today. How many of those people did they keep, and what are the figures like now? What exactly did they do to "grow the route" - otherwise the statement is largely meaningless.
Examples? Not the companies, but specifically how they are encouraging people back on the network... and has it worked? The existence of a campaign (e.g. Transdev's) doesn't mean it is effective.
Transpeak may carry tourists, but it also carries locals - it's not exactly the Lake District open topper, is it? How many people travel end-to-end, versus it just happening to be the route available? Other examples of specific routes experiencing growth?
Evidence? Have you considered funding models, ownership models, ability to secure and necessary return on capital investment? What do you mean by effort - what would be an appropriate degree of 'effort' to meet your expectations*? With respect, you're very good at hyperbolic insults and sweeping statements, but rarely do you get into specifics.
Go North East? I'd suggest - with equally little evidence - there is likely no correlation at all between 'effort' and likely degree of changes. After all, school buses are carrying reduced numbers and are undergoing changes, and they quite literally require no marketing at all!
I feel quite a lot of other people would be moderated even for your existing use of words, let alone worse!
Major service withdrawals might be the place?
Care to hint in what sector, and what size company? Commercial assistant for a multi-national subsidiary is quite different to being given the run of the desktop publishing at a family-owned firm.
It's not the Lakes open topper no but there is growth in normal leisure services too and it's the way forward. As for examples, most of the buses in national parks are experiencing growth from my observations. We are at the start of the season so data won't be available until later in the year. It is clear to see the growth in the leisure based services though, generally with seaside based routes but as someone else has highlighted, Snowdon Sherpa too.
Probably not interested in any potential for growth on the section that is to be withdrawn, but agree that they probably wouldn't have pushed it anyway.
199 similarly given it basically follows the Buxton line in it's entirety.
Very true.
I suppose there's also the factor of people simply not wanting to use the bus if they have to change.
Where do you get such a view from? You must have worked, if indeed you have worked, for some very poor operators.
Experience mostly. Seeing how things are being run and the lack of care put in. Not visible, hiding in an office. Lack of listening to customers or taking on their concerns. Lack of care for their legal obligations such as Bus Open Data and even not caring about keeping their own website updated with correct information. Not looking at or exploiting opportunities for increased patronage and instead plod on with 'same old' knowing that passenger numbers are decreasing. Not attempting new partnerships with people who could make a big difference to patronage. Not caring about local driver morale or trying to make things better in depots to increase patronage (it's noticeable on smaller village or pass heavy routes that regular drivers can help increase patronage and as soon as a group takes over with irregular drivers, numbers drop). Rinsing tenders where around 70% of passengers are connecting between their own services (an outer link which linked 7 or so core corridors), then losing said tender and therefore losing passengers off the core network too as people wouldn't pay for 2 tickets. The list is endless. As you say about PTEs as well, many staff in local authorities have letters after their name and supposed qualifications in passenger transport. They are just as bad and come under the statement that I made as their input forms part of the wider bus industry, albeit they may be employed not by an operator but their actions can make or break the local buses (budgets aren't a good excuse for their poor operation, there are many things authorities could do cost neutral or at very low cost but they choose not).
Always exceptions to the statement. As I've said before, there are some excellent people out there, they are just few and far between.
Might have a big bank balance but he can't be getting any half decent return given the dismal operations out there. Or is it because of him wanting more return why some of them are so poor? Of course his investments are far beyond this topic.Dengerates? Half a brain cell? I'd wager that Julian Peddle has a much bigger bank balance than your and me so I'd wish I was as thick as him
I am aware it is quite a slow journey as I once made a trip from Derby to Rowsley and back on a Sunday in late 1979. However, TrentBarton route 6.1 is routed via Wirksworth to provide a bus service from Wirksworth to Belper and Derby. Passengers wishing to travel more quickly from Matlock to Belper and Derby can use the train instead (rail strikes permitting).
You say "experience" but then just quote a list of things that you believe are wrong.
Indeed it did used to go from Manchester to Nottingham!
isn't the 141 (at least in part) a subsidised service from the councils?
Had it? - I thought I'd seen High Peak in Nottingham, many years ago.
The 141 has been so unreliable these past 6 months that many people have stopped using it. Trent Barton have given shortage of drivers as the reason for so many cancellations. That probably is true, but when it’s only hourly and people are standing at bus stops waiting for buses which regularly don’t turn up they soon give up and find other ways of travelling.
It definitely got cut back to Derby by previous operator Trent Barton. The Buxton to Manchester section (only I think 5 buses per day alternate Hours by the end) went the same way maybe 2/3 Years ago
It was called the High Peak service in the 1990s, but I think was run by Trent Barton in those days
I don't think so. There are photos of High Peak buses with Nottingham on the sides, and on the destination screen. This is after Trent operated the service.
I stand corrected! Apologies
Both events happened in 2012. From a quick bit of googling, High Peak was formed as the joint Trent/Centrebus company in April, and Transpeak was withdrawn Nottingham-Derby in November.
Again I stand corrected on my 2nd assertion!
There’s been quite a few reports in local newspapers from concerned councillors from Ashfield, Gedling and Newark and Sherwood concerning Trent Barton withdrawing the 141 from September. They are concerned that the route is being withdrawn without any consultation with the councils concerned. There seems to be a general view that Trent Barton has been running the service down over the last year with frequent cancellations and late running resulting in much lower passenger numbers than previously.
Presumably they have been made aware as part of the statutory consultation process!