Closer to Nottingham, Stagecoach in Chesterfield are using electric double deckers on the 170 between Chesterfield and Bakewell via Chatsworth. Also the very long X17 route from Wirksworth/Matlock to Chesterfield and on to Sheffield and Barnsley. Both of these are quite hilly routes especially the X17 around Matlock.
It's worth noting that the E400EVs they use on the X17 have to be swapped out during the day on to a shorter route. There was a period when the E400EVs weren't able to be used and the Yutong E12s had to substitute - they seemed more than capable of doing a full day in service.
170 does include a long climb though.
Transdev 36's do have top up chargers in Harrogate so they get some extra charge on most pauses in the Bus Station which gives a level of safety headroom but this requires more investment and somewhere to install those chargers. Theoretically ADL say their E400EV can do up to 620km when new (though that probably drops by some amount with significant amounts of fast non-stop running) and whilst that is probably pretty top end it does show we have reached a point where there are probably few bus workings that can't be electrified with the latest versions of most manufacturers models. It is just that at this point it still makes some sense to target that electric investment on more urban cycles where electrics are most efficient and the benefits to wider society through no emissions in areas of denser population. There are probably few normal bus workings now that are too long for battery electrics when new and not too many more that would probably cause an issue later in the vehicles life cycle.
I think that was clear from fairly early on when they said there were no suitable double-deckers for any of their routes when other cities (Oxford, Leicester & Coventry) were already starting to go for full replacement.
In the case of the 90 that is probably the decisive bit, they weren't expecting to run the 90 when they ordered their electrics and don't have enough on stock to cover the full PVR safely so it makes sense to not do so routinely. I wouldn't be surprised to see spare electrics on the 90 when needed, assuming they didn't down spec their battery capacity too much because they were bought as urban buses.
I've thought about this before. NCT have always been known to over-spec vehicles; whether that's a downside in this situation, I can't tell.
That was an unrelated issue. The unreliability of the Enviro400EV is well documented across companies, particularly Stagecoach in Chesterfield. NCT would be wise to steer clear.
That's my expectation, certainly wouldn't be surprised to see the odd electric popping up (probably branded for something else!)
If they are reluctant to get electrics for the 90 maybe they'll go for a Scania fencer, who knows
I think you misunderstood my point. I was saying the E12 has a better range then the E400EV based on performance on the X17.
The 90 would not have been included in the ZEBRA bid so you would be correct
I see your point and do agree but with those electric deckers they are getting, that whatever they replace may become uni4 who knows
Potentially - although i’ve not seen/heard the rumour mill there either as to whats likely to benefit from the electrics too
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Looks like the 36 took the brunt of it, lots of damage at the front, I hope everyone is okayJust posted on the NET Tram thread
Passengers hurt as tram derailed in Chilwell bus crash
Fire officials say all passengers are safe, but some are being treated for minor injuries.
NET (Nottingham) Tram Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8w2j07zk6o Tram passengers have been treated for minor injuries after a tram was derailed in a bus crash. Nottinghamshire Fire and Rescue Service said all passengers were safe and some were treated for their injuries at the scene in Inham Road in Chilwell...
Just posted on the NET Tram thread
Passengers hurt as tram derailed in Chilwell bus crash
Fire officials say all passengers are safe, but some are being treated for minor injuries.
NET (Nottingham) Tram Discussion
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8w2j07zk6o Tram passengers have been treated for minor injuries after a tram was derailed in a bus crash. Nottinghamshire Fire and Rescue Service said all passengers were safe and some were treated for their injuries at the scene in Inham Road in Chilwell...
I would say the trams damage looks more cosmetic where as NCTs 529 is going to be structural
It is a 2022 plate bus so it'd have to be pretty bad to not be fixed?
Both were repaired and returned to service, to my knowledge
I think the last tram to have such repairs was done at Alstom in Derby.
The tram will be repaired in house at the depot, unless complex structural repairs are needed, in which case it'll go by road to Alstom Litchurch Lane. This will be avoided unless absolutely necessary, it just depends on the extent of the damage under the surface.
ADL vehicles usually go to their facility in Anston (half way between Worksop and Rotherham) for major repairs.
It's the same tram? Blimey getting like certain trains, that had more than one incident.
