Northumberland Line reopening: progress updates

[pokemonsuper9]

Neat that the “Proper exciting” stuff is quoting Geoff Marshall. Looking forward to his video.

Video is out, has a decent bit of discussion as well as a look at one of the stations under construction

 

[swt_passenger]

Video is out, has a decent bit of discussion as well as a look at one of the stations under construction

Thanks for the link, I’d been looking out for it for a few days…

New news (I think) is that there’s an explanation in the video of how the fares will be integrated with the existing Metro, with the northernmost section being in a new Zone D. Probably makes more sense to a local user when he mentions Pop cards etc…

 

[snowball]

I watched it with the automatically-generated subtitles switched on. I liked the reference to the "tiny we metro". From now on I'll think of it as the Tiny Wee Metro.

 

[Gwr12345]

Might be an obvious answer, but is Heaton getting any more physical trains for the Northumberland line, or are 158s being taken off other routes in the Northeast?

 

[androdas]

I believe northern has got a couple of 156s from EMR which will release 158s to be used on the Newcastle Ashington service

 

[Class 170101]

Is there an actual (re-)opening date for the line?

 

[swt_passenger]

Is there an actual (re-)opening date for the line?

“Summer 2024” for the first three stations, as per post #808. Ashington, Newsham and Seaton Delaval.
Calling times are showing in RTT, although services are still only “runs as required” at this time.

 

[Class 170101]

“Summer 2024” for the first three stations, as per post #808. Ashington, Newsham and Seaton Delaval.
Calling times are showing in RTT, although services are still only “runs as required” at this time.

So perhaps I shouldn't pin my hopes too much.

To quote Roger Ford
'Never Trust a forecast based on the seasons'

 

[swt_passenger]

So perhaps I shouldn't pin my hopes too much.

To quote Roger Ford
'Never Trust a forecast based on the seasons'

Especially in the frozen north…

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Which of the first three stations due to open first is the most further advanced in its construction and were any of them rebuilt on the same station sites as those of the original station?

 

[swt_passenger]

Which of the first three stations due to open first is the most further advanced in its construction and were any of them rebuilt on the same station sites as those of the original station?

Ashington is furthest advanced, but is on a short siding and close to but not quite on its original site. Newsham is a new location, and Seaton Delaval is a bit further south than previously.

I think of the next 3 stations only Bedlington is exactly on the original site, but it was only a single up side platform when last open.

 

[H&I]

I am glad to see this line reopen to passengers after 60 years. Is there a reason why the service is a Northern one rather than the line being made part of the Tyne and Wear Metro?

 

[swt_passenger]

I am glad to see this line reopen to passengers after 60 years. Is there a reason why the service is a Northern one rather than the line being made part of the Tyne and Wear Metro?

A Metro extension was ruled out early on, it was thought that running times from Ashington would be excessive, in fact this question iwas discussed on the first pages of this thread. Metro units couldn’t run on the ECML from Benton Junction, they’d have to run via South Gosforth and Jesmond, in amongst all stations stoppers.

 

[H&I]

A Metro extension was ruled out early on, it was thought that running times from Ashington would be excessive, in fact this question iwas discussed on the first pages of this thread. Metro units couldn’t run on the ECML from Benton Junction, they’d have to run via South Gosforth and Jesmond, in amongst all stations stoppers.

Thanks for your reply. Perhaps I should rephrase my question. Regardless of the choice for heavy rail over light rail technology, is there a reason why the service is branded as Northern rather than as a Tyne and Wear Metro service? Perhaps the branding could be as a metro line even if Northern operate the trains. I ask this as a new fare zone is being created to include stations on the line.

 

[wilbers]

With the stations added to the fare zones it makes it look likely that at some point in the future that the Metro Centre could also be added.

 

[Bald Rick]

Thanks for your reply. Perhaps I should rephrase my question. Regardless of the choice for heavy rail over light rail technology, is there a reason why the service is branded as Northern rather than as a Tyne and Wear Metro service? Perhaps the branding could be as a metro line even if Northern operate the trains. I ask this as a new fare zone is being created to include stations on the line.

1) its not metro frequency
2) T&W havent paid for it.

 

[androdas]

With the stations added to the fare zones it makes it look likely that at some point in the future that the Metro Centre could also be added.

It would make sense, with the combined authority and its associated Mayor coming soon which I beleive will be leading on transport policy. Maybe also include Cramlington and Morpeth in there in the same zones as Seaton Delaval and Ashington respectively.

 

[themiller]

And 3) a 158 is nothing like a metro train because of its end doors slowing down passenger embarkation and disembarkation.

 

[sjm77]

Thanks for your reply. Perhaps I should rephrase my question. Regardless of the choice for heavy rail over light rail technology, is there a reason why the service is branded as Northern rather than as a Tyne and Wear Metro service?

Also, the funding is from Northumberland County Council which does not 'own' or run the Metro.

With Regards to the new combined authority I too hope that they add Metro Centre and other stations to the the T&W Metro fare zones. They cannot say 'it's too difficult' when it has been done before!

 

[H&I]

Also, the funding is from Northumberland County Council which does not 'own' or run the Metro.

With Regards to the new combined authority I too hope that they add Metro Centre and other stations to the the T&W Metro. They cannot say 'it's too difficult' when it has been done before!

I wonder if something similar to the “City Line” brand on the Merseyrail network can be achieved here.

 

[vic-rijrode]

Also, the funding is from Northumberland County Council which does not 'own' or run the Metro.

With Regards to the new combined authority I too hope that they add Metro Centre and other stations to the the T&W Metro. They cannot say 'it's too difficult' when it has been done before!

How would "adding the Metro Centre and other stations to the T & W Metro" actually be accomplished though? When the former electrified loop line from Newcastle to the coast was incorporated into the Metro, there was a significant amount of tunneling under Newcastle City Centre and Gateshead needed to connect the lines north and south of the Tyne without going through Central Station - not to mention the 6 new underground stations.

For example, the only line that connects the Metro Centre currently to Newcastle is the surface line through Dunston. There would need to be more tunneling to conect this to the Metro, close to or at Gateshead Metro station presumably. Regardless of difficulty - not very cheap...

 

[swt_passenger]

How would "adding the Metro Centre and other stations to the T & W Metro" actually be accomplished though? When the former electrified loop line from Newcastle to the coast was incorporated into the Metro, there was a significant amount of tunneling under Newcastle City Centre and Gateshead needed to connect the lines north and south of the Tyne without going through Central Station - not to mention the 7 new underground stations.

For example, the only line that connects the Metro Centre currently to Newcastle is the surface line through Dunston. There would need to be more tunneling to conect this to the Metro, close to or at Gateshead Metro station presumably. Regardless of difficulty - not very cheap...

i think the idea is to have the Metro zonal fare structure extended to somewhere along the Tyne Valley route, not the Metro trains.

But then, (although I mentioned that it was in the video), I suppose anything to do with other possible fare zone extensions is drifting well off topic from the main subject, the progress with the line reopening itself…

 

[vic-rijrode]

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i think the idea is to have the Metro zonal fare structure extended to somewhere along the Tyne Valley route, not the Metro trains.

Sensible and something which will happen in the not too distant future, I suggest, with additions to the POP card availability. Blaydon definitely needs to be included.

But the post I was answering did not make this clear - "...it's been done before..." was the phrase I took to mean when the T & W Metro was physically established in the 70s/80s.

 

[sjm77]

i think the idea is to have the Metro zonal fare structure extended to somewhere along the Tyne Valley route, not the Metro trains.

#It was, I missed two vital wordfs out! D'oh!

 

[androdas]

Announcement hss been made on the project website around proposed fare structure for the new line. it doesnt go into a huge amount of detail and a lot of it reads like an advert but is does say the off peak full journey will be under £3 and there will be intergration with the Tyne and Wear POP card including fares for anywhere on the line or metro system for £1 for under 21s.

The maximum off-peak single fare (for the full line from Ashington to Newcastle) will be less than £3, with an innovative approach to pricing to enable customers to combine peak and off-peak tickets to get the best value travel. Cheaper fares for customers aged 21 and under will start from £1 single.

Meanwhile, a paper to be presented to the region’s Joint Transport Committee (JTC) by Metro operator Nexus on March 19th highlights that young people are among those benefiting the most, with those 21 and under being able to buy single tickets for travel anywhere on the Northumberland Line and Metro system from just £1.

Full article: https://www.northumberlandline.uk/ticketing

 

[Geordie driver]

Regarding Manors, I used to live in the area and had no idea the old station was still there, one morning I was out for a walk and stumbled across it, I honestly thought it was abandoned, very run down, it still had working pay phone on the wall.

It's one of those central yet oddly remote places, despite a huge amount of student development around it, I doubt most students are even aware it is there.

For most people Manors means the Metro station, I have even known people swear blind the rail doesn't exist anymore.

 

[bramling]

Regarding Manors, I used to live in the area and had no idea the old station was still there, one morning I was out for a walk and stumbled across it, I honestly thought it was abandoned, very run down, it still had working pay phone on the wall.

It's one of those central yet oddly remote places, despite a huge amount of student development around it, I doubt most students are even aware it is there.

For most people Manors means the Metro station, I have even known people swear blind the rail doesn't exist anymore.

The metro station isn’t exactly heavily used either. It can be quite eerie at times.

 

[Geordie driver]

The metro station isn’t exactly heavily used either. It can be quite eerie at times.

Indeed, it's mainly a haunt for ne'er do wells who want to avoid the inspectors in town.

I used it now and then to visit a mate on the coast, but it was horrendous in the evening, in the end I used to get the bus.

 

[Tetchytyke]

Indeed, it's mainly a haunt for ne'er do wells who want to avoid the inspectors in town.

Not so much anymore because of all the new student flats and the Northumbria University business school. It did used to be though.

The railway station is almost impossible to find. It really is forgotten. It’ll be interesting if they do stop the Northumberland Line trains there.

 

[swt_passenger]

Not so much anymore because of all the new student flats and the Northumbria University business school. It did used to be though.

The railway station is almost impossible to find. It really is forgotten. It’ll be interesting if they do stop the Northumberland Line trains there.

They’ve definitely said alternate trains will call, it’s been mentioned a few times recently in this thread. The calls are in RTT from the June timetable change, although the whole service is still marked ‘runs as required’.