Aren't there also two more 150s coming from elsewhere as once the 3 319s in the thameslink livery go, that makes 238 units going for a refurb (255 units if you count the 323s) and when those 3 150s join Northern from WMT that takes the total number back up to 241 units (258 units counting the 323s) and @507021 said there are 2 more 150s (on top of the 3 you mentioned) to join Northern to complete the the full fleet of 243 units (260 units counting the 323s).
No plans for air-conditioning on stock that doesn't already have it. AIUI all trains will get wifi, but sockets (USB or standard 3-pin) are 158s, 170s (already fitted from Scotrail days) and new stock only.
Thanks, thought it was a railway jargon term like 'conductor links'. Im a new member so im assuming that all abbreviations are railway Jargon
I doubt there will be any non compliant sprinters running after December but then again its Northern so you never know.
Yes, but they're just old units so thats why they're being withdrawn
I doubt they will be withdrawn by the end of this year, considering Northern's EMU shortage. They'd be stupid not to.
The EMU shortage (on the East side at least) is largely down to the 321/322 fleet being unreliable...
Maybe if Northern stopped the refurb programs of the units that already have PRM mods then there could be a chance that All unit have PRM mods in time for December this year. This also depends on how soon Northern get the 331s and 195s into service as if they enter service any later than mid August then the chances are that the PRM mods won't be complete.
Is that why they're getting replaced by the 331s?
That may have been factored into the rolling stock strategy at the time of the bid, though replacing them with 331s was also a way of boosting capacity (6x23m replacing 4x20m)... However with the issues over platform lengths the original plans have gone out the window. The 4-car 331s will be a drop in (nominal) capacity despite being longer, due to the 2+2 seating.
What are you talking about?
It might be a drop in seating capacity but I think standing capacity will increase
Isn't that the plan anyway that we receive the 4 car 331s until the platforms have been lengthened
That unit must be going in for a further phase of refurbishment at a later date
This phased approach is very peculiar to me. My parents are currently in the process of refitting their kitchen and reorganizing the layout of the ground floor of their house. The Arriva Rail Northern approach would have seen them replace the units first, and then set about knocking walls down around them!
This shows two thingsThis phased approach is very peculiar to me. My parents are currently in the process of refitting their kitchen and reorganizing the layout of the ground floor of their house. The Arriva Rail Northern approach would have seen them replace the units first, and then set about knocking walls down around them!
This phased approach is very peculiar to me. My parents are currently in the process of refitting their kitchen and reorganizing the layout of the ground floor of their house. The Arriva Rail Northern approach would have seen them replace the units first, and then set about knocking walls down around them!
I wouldn’t say it’s fu*ed Up due to timings but what I will say it’s inconsistent (on a few units) but this will change when Northern finish the PRMs and can go back to focus on refurbishment.
