Northern Unit Refurbishments and depot allocations.

[jonesy3001]

Hello, any allocations for 165004 this afternoon?
Thanks

165004 isn't a northern unit

 

[CR165022]

165004 isn't a northern unit

Sorry wrong thread

 

[Adam0984]

Isn't Perkins 158 815 reported above as going to Crewe tomorrow (sun) the one fitted with experimental wi fi a few years back
K

That was 906 wasn't it

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Isn't Perkins 158 815 reported above as going to Crewe tomorrow (sun) the one fitted with experimental wi fi a few years back
K

Are you thinking of the West Yorkshire unit that had wifi in one carriage only? Think that was 908 but could well be mistaken.

I was indeed mistaken, it was 906. Thanks Adam.

 

[jonesy3001]

Sorry wrong thread

@yorkie , you can delete these comments

 

[4REP]

165004 isn't a northern unit

It's a non existent unit and definitely not a 165 as there is no 165004

 

[jonesy3001]

It's a non existent unit and definitely not a 165 as there is no 165004

Mmm,
In April 2020, unit 165004 was sent to LORAM rail at Derby for HyDrive conversion.
Taken from wiki.

 

[Harvey B]

165004 isn't a northern unit

is there such a unit as 156004 and is that with Northern?

EDIT: 156004 is non-existant

 

[4REP]

The culprit is a Chiltern unit class 165
They have 165/0 units

 

[superkev]

Are you thinking of the West Yorkshire unit that had wifi in one carriage only? Think that was 908 but could well be mistaken.

I was indeed mistaken, it was 906. Thanks Adam.

I stand corrected. No idea why I had 815
K

 

[3973EXL]

815 left Heaton on the way to Barton Hill.

 

[superkev]

815 left Heaton on the way to Barton Hill.

Holbeck to Heaton just left too. Return working this aft. Presumably 156s getting new flooring and handrails. Dont know numbers.
K

 

[158757]

Updated lists 19/07/20, corrections welcome.

Just a small update this time, a photo on Facebook shows 150215 stickered so it will have had a refurb, plus a swap of the 158's. No idea of the 156 that's replacing 454 at Holbeck.

I haven't yet seen any post Holbeck internal photos of the 156's that have been so if anyone has any that would be interesting to see.

Key

Liveries

Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Northern livery
Old Serco-Abellio Northern purple
Unbranded First Scotrail Barbie
Unbranded First Great Western Blue
Unbranded Great Western Railway Green
158860 has thank you NHS livery

Units in italic are not PRM compliant but have received dispensation
# – Digital Train Modifications complete (USB, CCTV, additional PIS screens)
NCM - Northern Connect Mods (Seat reservations)
FGW – First Great Western
Prototype refurbishment – light blue seat backs, Arriva turquoise grab poles, cream coloured end walls


150001 - Unrefurbished, GWR moquette Ashbourne seats
150002 - Unrefurbished, GWR moquette Ashbourne seats

150101 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150102 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150103 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150104 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150105 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150106 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150107 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150108 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150109 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150110 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150111 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150112 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150113 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150114 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150115 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150116 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150117 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150118 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150119 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150120 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150121 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150122 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150123 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150124 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150125 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150126 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150127 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150128 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150129 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150130 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150131 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats
150132 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150133 – Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150134 – Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150135 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150136 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150137 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150138 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150139 – Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150140 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150141 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150142 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150143 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150144 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150145 – Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150146 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150147 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150148 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150149 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150150 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats

150120,123 retain Silverlink NSE blue wall carpet
150136 has several rows of seats in airline layout

150201 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150203 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150204 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150205 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150206 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150209 - Unrefurbished, FGW moquette Ashbourne seats (no toilet)
150210 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150211 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150214 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150215 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150218 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
# 150220 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
150222 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150223 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
150224 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
150225 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
150226 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Ashbourne seats
150228 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
150268 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats (in works, Doncaster)
# 150269 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150270 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150271 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150272 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150273 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150274 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Ashbourne seats
# 150275 – Refurbished (prototype style), new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150276 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats
# 150277 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Ashbourne seats

150205 has a row of seats that were incorrectly fitted in a bay layout on refurb

155341 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155342 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155343 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155344 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155345 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155346 - Refurbished (prototype style), new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
155347 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

# 156420 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156421 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156423 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156424 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156425 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156426 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156427 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 156428 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156429 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156438 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156440 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156441 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156443 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156444 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156447 - Unrefurbished, old First purple moquette Ashbourne seats
156448 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156449 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Eastleigh)
# 156451 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156452 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
156454 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
# 156455 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
# 156459 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156460 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats (in works, Wolverton)
156461 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156463 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156464 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Chapman seats
156465 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Eastleigh)
# 156466 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
156468 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156469 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156471 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156472 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156475 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156479 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156480 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156481 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156482 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156483 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156484 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156485 - Unrefurbished, old First purple moquette Ashbourne seats
156486 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156487 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156488 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156489 - Refurbished, new blue moquette Richmond seats
156490 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156491 - Refurbished, old purple moquette Richmond seats
156496 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

Refurbished 156 units with Richmond seats but old purple moquette seats (and 156468/156489) retain floor carpet, this is replaced during work at Holbeck

158752 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats (in works, Holbeck)
158753 - Refurbished, new blue moquette MTB seats
158754 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158755 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158756 - Refurbished (prototype style), dark blue moquette MTB seats
158757 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158758 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158759 - Refurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats

158782 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158784 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158786 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158787 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Crewe)
158789 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158790 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158791 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158792 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158793 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158794 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158795 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158796 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158797 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158815 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Bristol Barton Hill)
158816 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158817 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158842 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
158843 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats
158844 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats (in works, Crewe)
# 158845 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats, NCM complete
158848 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
# 158849 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats, NCM complete
158850 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158851 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158853 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158855 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158859 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158860 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158861 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette MTB seats
158867 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158868 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158869 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158870 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158871 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158872 - Unrefurbished, old purple moquette Chapman seats

158901 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158902 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158903 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158904 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158905 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158906 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158907 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158908 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158909 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats
158910 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Fainsa seats

158752 has cream coloured end walls instead of navy blue

158752-759, 782, 786, 789, 867-871 retain the parcels cupboard in the 57 end vehicle

# 170453 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170454 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170455 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170456 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170457 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170458 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170459 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170460 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170461 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170472 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170473 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170474 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170475 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170476 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170477 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats
# 170478 - Refurbished, new blue flat cloth Chapman seats

170453-458 retain an old first class section (declassified) at each end of the train

Key

Liveries

Northern livery with logos
Unbranded Northern livery
Old Serco-Abellio Northern purple
Unbranded Thameslink White/Blue

FCC - First Capital Connect
Units not in bold are now off lease
Units in italic are not PRM compliant but have received dispensation (except 319373)

319361 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319362 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319363 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319364 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319365 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319366 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319367 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319368 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319369 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319370 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
319371 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319372 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior
319373 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior
319374 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319375 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319376 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319377 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319378 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319379 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319380 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319381 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
319382 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319383 – refurbished, new blue flat cloth seats
319384 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
319385 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
319386 – refurbished, dark purple “Northern Electrics” moquette seats
319446 – unrefurbished, FCC moquette seats and interior

769424 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769431 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769434 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769442 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769448 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769450 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769456 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats
769458 – refurbished, FCC moquette seats

319367 has additional PIS screens fitted although never used
319446 and all Northern 769s retain a declassified first class section

323223 – unrefurbished, old purple moquette seats
323224 – unrefurbished, old purple moquette seats
323225 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Wolverton)
323226 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323227 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323228 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323229 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323230 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323231 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Wolverton)
323232 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323233 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323234 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323235 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323236 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323237 – unrefurbished, old purple moquette seats
323238 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
323239 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

333001 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333002 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333003 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333004 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333005 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333006 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333007 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333008 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333009 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats (in works, Derby RTC for Bogic Bolster crack repairs)
333010 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333011 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333012 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333013 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333014 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333015 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats
333016 – refurbished, new blue moquette seats

 

[simon7929]

The floors are replaced and the seat backs painted Black plus the seats have the new coverings. That is all.

 

[Adam0984]

Holbeck to Heaton just left too. Return working this aft. Presumably 156s getting new flooring and handrails. Dont know numbers.
K

156454

 

[jonnyfan]

@158757 A little amendment, the 769s come back with the new Northern blue moquette from what I've seen passing Allerton depot

 

[Jamesrob637]

Fewer than ten unrefurbished 150s and I've just managed to see two within seconds of each other through Heaton Chapel albeit each one was coupled to a refurbished set.

 

[L+Y]

A little off topic- but does anybody know the reason for an ECS Allerton to Wigan return 323 move this evening?

 

[158757]

@158757 A little amendment, the 769s come back with the new Northern blue moquette from what I've seen passing Allerton depot

I understand all are to be fitted in due course but at the moment they are still as were when they left as 319/4s. I know one set had been started but last time I saw it it was just bare seat frames, do you know which one you've seen please?

 

[jonnyfan]

I understand all are to be fitted in due course but at the moment they are still as were when they left as 319/4s. I know one set had been started but last time I saw it it was just bare seat frames, do you know which one you've seen please?

Sorry I don't know which one it was that I saw, I pass Allerton quite often so I will keep an eye out

 

[superkev]

This weekends moves too and from works starting to appear.
Heres Saturdays too and from Crewe.

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Prob more to come.
K

 

[Ryry]

Has 156496 been in service since returning to heaton

 

[Tractor37]

156482 is the 156 currently at Holbeck

 

[Adam0984]

This weekends moves too and from works starting to appear.
Heres Saturdays too and from Crewe.

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Prob more to come.
K

In no particular order expect these units to move this weekend
323225 Wolverton to Allerton
158752 Holbeck to Neville Hill (friday)
170458 Central Rivers to Neville Hill
150126 Crewe to Newton Heath
150201 Crewe to Newton Heath
150268 Doncaster to Neville Hill or Newton Heath

 

[JakeMurphy]

One of 323223, 224 or 237 will go to Wolverton by the look of it on Saturday too

 

[py_megapixel]

I imagine at this point the 319s won't get any more stages of the refurb done given they won't be around for more than a year or two now; they're all PRMed and CETed meaning they are fully legal to run without dispensation so there's probably little point in them being sent in for new moquette or "digital train mods"

By the time I'm next in Northern-land there probably won't be any unrefurbished Sprinters left. Good riddance to them.
(I mean I wish I could say good riddance to the refurbished ones too, but I guess we're stuck with them...)

 

[OTRail]

I imagine at this point the 319s won't get any more stages of the refurb done given they won't be around for more than a year or two now; they're all PRMed and CETed meaning they are fully legal to run without dispensation so there's probably little point in them being sent in for new moquette or "digital train mods"

By the time I'm next in Northern-land there probably won't be any unrefurbished Sprinters left. Good riddance to them.
(I mean I wish I could say good riddance to the refurbished ones too, but I guess we're stuck with them...)

My hope is that the 158s from EMR and TFW and the 175s will be cascaded to replace a large quantity of Northern’s sprinters...

 

[py_megapixel]

My hope is that the 158s from EMR and TFW and the 175s will be cascaded to replace a large quantity of Northern’s sprinters...

Neither of those are remotely sensible to replace 150s because of the end doors, and in any case the 175s wouldn't fit into the fleet for multiple working purposes.

The extra 158s might be welcome as a capacity boost though (but I don't believe EMR are getting rid of theirs are they?)

 

[simon7929]

Has 156496 been in service since returning to heaton

It was out in the North East yesterday.

 

[Versa274]

Neither of those are remotely sensible to replace 150s because of the end doors, and in any case the 175s wouldn't fit into the fleet for multiple working purposes.

The extra 158s might be welcome as a capacity boost though (but I don't believe EMR are getting rid of theirs are they?)

yes EMR are replacing almost their entire fleet including the 158 varient. Check EMR wikipedia it will tell you