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Last Train to call at Derby.. Cancelled..

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Not in the case of Stoke, 5 trains over the course of the day which is roughly 3 hourly. I'm surprised you didn't know this given that's the underlying cause for the inconsistent calling pattern at Levenshulme. The 11:20 Levenshulme to Manchester is from Stoke, the 12:25 is from Chester but there's no departure at around 13:20 as neither the Stoke or Chester service run that hour. Then the following hour you get two services very close together as both the Chester and Stoke services run.

I think the missing Hazel Grove services are another reason but they were only introduced relatively recently as additional services, so without them Hazel Grove to Manchester has reverted to hourly on Sundays

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For tomorrow Journey Check is already showing the following cancellations:

Sun, 15 May 08:17 Manchester Oxford Road to Liverpool Lime Street due 09:03

Sun, 15 May 08:20 Manchester Victoria to Wigan North Western due 08:57

Sun, 15 May 08:21 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 09:28

Sun, 15 May 09:20 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 10:30

Sun, 15 May 09:27 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria due 10:04

Sun, 15 May 09:59 Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield due 10:40

Sun, 15 May 10:17 Manchester Oxford Road to Liverpool Lime Street due 11:02

Sun, 15 May 10:19 Manchester Victoria to Wigan North Western due 10:56

Sun, 15 May 10:20 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 11:36

Sun, 15 May 10:43 Hadfield to Manchester Piccadilly due 11:22

Sun, 15 May 10:52 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 12:00

Sun, 15 May 11:27 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria due 12:06

Sun, 15 May 11:33 Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield due 12:12

Sun, 15 May 11:53 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 13:01

Sun, 15 May 12:15 Hadfield to Manchester Piccadilly due 12:52

Sun, 15 May 12:16 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 13:28

Sun, 15 May 12:19 Manchester Victoria to Wigan North Western due 12:56

Sun, 15 May 13:03 Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield due 13:42

Sun, 15 May 13:13 Manchester Oxford Road to Liverpool Lime Street due 14:01

Sun, 15 May 13:20 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 14:27

Sun, 15 May 13:26 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria due 14:03

Sun, 15 May 13:45 Hadfield to Manchester Piccadilly due 14:24

Sun, 15 May 13:53 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 15:01

Sun, 15 May 14:16 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 15:27

Sun, 15 May 14:20 Manchester Victoria to Wigan North Western due 14:57

Sun, 15 May 14:33 Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield due 15:12

Sun, 15 May 14:53 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 16:01

Sun, 15 May 15:15 Hadfield to Manchester Piccadilly due 15:58

Sun, 15 May 15:20 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 16:27

Sun, 15 May 15:27 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria due 16:04

Sun, 15 May 15:53 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 17:00

Sun, 15 May 16:03 Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield due 16:42

Sun, 15 May 16:16 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 17:27

Sun, 15 May 16:20 Manchester Victoria to Wigan North Western due 16:57

Sun, 15 May 16:45 Hadfield to Manchester Piccadilly due 17:24

Sun, 15 May 16:53 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 18:00

Sun, 15 May 17:20 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 18:27

Sun, 15 May 17:27 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria due 18:05

Sun, 15 May 17:33 Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield due 18:12

Sun, 15 May 17:53 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 19:01

Sun, 15 May 18:15 Hadfield to Manchester Piccadilly due 18:58

Sun, 15 May 18:20 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 19:27

Sun, 15 May 18:20 Manchester Victoria to Wigan North Western due 18:57

Sun, 15 May 19:03 Manchester Piccadilly to Hadfield due 19:42

Sun, 15 May 19:20 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 20:28

Sun, 15 May 19:27 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria due 20:04

Sun, 15 May 19:45 Hadfield to Manchester Piccadilly due 20:24

Sun, 15 May 19:53 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 21:00

Sun, 15 May 20:20 Manchester Victoria to Wigan North Western due 20:57

Sun, 15 May 21:23 Liverpool Lime Street to Manchester Airport due 22:30

Sun, 15 May 21:27 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria due 22:05

Sun, 15 May 22:19 Manchester Victoria to Wigan North Western due 22:56

Sun, 15 May 22:52 Manchester Airport to Liverpool Lime Street due 00:05

Sun, 15 May 23:21 Wigan North Western to Manchester Victoria due 23:59

There's also quite a lot of cancellations this evening, including some last trains.
Get used to it. Its only going to get worse
 
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Last train 2224 to Manchester from Sheffield has been cancelled. Pity the 17 passengers shoehorned into a 16 seater minibus now touring all stations in the peak District in the dark.....ETA Manchester 2am....so reports my correspondent on board......wonder where they'll stop for the loo, it being a Saturday night etc.......
 

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Last train 2224 to Manchester from Sheffield has been cancelled. Pity the 17 passengers shoehorned into a 16 seater minibus now touring all stations in the peak District in the dark.....ETA Manchester 2am....so reports my correspondent on board......wonder where they'll stop for the loo, it being a Saturday night etc.......

That may have been illegal, if it's above either the maximum capacity of the vehicle or the operator's operating licence. Some minibus operators are licenced as minibus operators, so if they get a second hand 19 seater they have to remove 3 seats before they are allowed to use it in service.

I'm not sure where they could stop for toilet breaks. If you had a replacement bus running Manchester to Shrewsbury then they could allow passengers to use facilities at Crewe station but there aren't interchange stations with toilets on the Hope Valley line.
 

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Blackburn - Carlisle Dalesrail train cancelled. (According to real time trains). I bet the return will be cancelled when they get round to it. Problem with train crew.
 

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That may have been illegal, if it's above either the maximum capacity of the vehicle or the operator's operating licence. Some minibus operators are licenced as minibus operators, so if they get a second hand 19 seater they have to remove 3 seats before they are allowed to use it in service.

I'm not sure where they could stop for toilet breaks. If you had a replacement bus running Manchester to Shrewsbury then they could allow passengers to use facilities at Crewe station but there aren't interchange stations with toilets on the Hope Valley line.
Fortunately my on board contact discovered it was a set down only service and in the end it stopped only at Grindleford and Chinley so Manchester arrival not long after midnight and toilet stop not required(!!). No idea how folks from say Edale would have made it home to Manchester. If station has a call point I guess a taxi could be arranged.
 

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Fortunately my on board contact discovered it was a set down only service and in the end it stopped only at Grindleford and Chinley so Manchester arrival not long after midnight and toilet stop not required(!!). No idea how folks from say Edale would have made it home to Manchester. If station has a call point I guess a taxi could be arranged.

I don't know the usual arrangements for Hope Valley replacement buses but for Mid-Cheshire it seems where resources permit they try to have two vehicles. Then one starts at Knutsford and does all stops to either Stockport to Chester. The other then does all stops to either Mobberley if it's Chester bound or Plumley, if it's Stockport bound, then after Mobberley/Plumley it's requested stops only to set down.
 

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61 cancellations listed on Journey Check for Sunday already. I suspect they'll be more on the day but having them listed already, rather than deleting them from journey planners and keeping quiet, is a positive move
 
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