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Northern/TPE Invitation to Tender published

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New thread as requested, List of files

Northern

ITT
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...file/407802/northern-invitation-to-tender.pdf

Financial model spreadsheet (blank template for bidders)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...407504/northern-financial-model-template.xlsx

Ticketless travel report
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa.../407505/northern-ticketless-travel-report.pdf

Service and timetable specs
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/northern-franchise-2015-invitation-to-tender


TPE

ITT
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...transpennine-express-invitation-to-tender.pdf

Financial model (blank template for bidders)
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...file/407512/tpe-financial-model-template.xlsm

Ticketless travel report
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa.../file/407511/tpe-ticketless-travel-report.pdf

Service Specs
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/transpennine-express-franchise-2015-invitation-to-tender


Northern/TPE consultation government response
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...iefing-document-and-consultation-response.pdf

Government description

A transformation in transport connectivity between the cities of the north is vital to realising their potential to become a ‘northern powerhouse’ for the UK’s economy.

On 27 October 2014, the government set out how it intended to work with Transport for the North, Network Rail and the Highways Agency to develop a new transport strategy for the north.

A central plank of this work is improving the railways connecting the northern cities. As announced by the Prime Minister and the Chancellor, this includes the development of proposals for HS3, a high speed rail link designed to cut journey times between these great cities, boosting businesses and creating more jobs and security for hardworking people.

This work continues apace, and it remains the government’s intent to publish an interim report shortly.

In the meantime, I am pleased to inform the House that I published today (27 February 2015) the invitations to tender for the next Northern and TransPennine Express rail franchises.

I have also published today ‘Transforming the north’s railway”, a stakeholder briefing document that sets out the government’s response to the consultation on the 2 franchises that took place from June to August 2014.

These publications mark an important first step in the transformation of the train services in the north of England to support economic growth. More people than ever are using the north’s railways, and the demand for travel by rail into our great northern cities is predicted to grow into the future. Passengers, businesses, local communities and their representatives across the north told us that railway services must be revitalised and expanded upon under the new franchises in order to be fit for the twenty-first century and to achieve our vision for the ‘northern powerhouse’.

The government has listened carefully to those views. The invitations to tender published today, the result of the government’s collaborative work with Rail North, representing local transport authorities across the north, require the shortlisted bidders for the 2 franchises to start on the journey of transformation that is needed.

•a modernised fleet of Northern trains, including full replacement of the unpopular Pacers and the introduction of 120 new-build vehicles by 1 January 2020
•more frequent services, including on Sundays
•more seats at the busiest times
•dedicated funding for investment in Northern’s stations
•significantly increased funding for community rail
•challenging targets for increases in customer satisfaction
•wi-fi capability on all trains, providing free connectivity where there is coverage
•working in partnership with Network Rail to deliver the government’s £1 billion investment in the railway infrastructure of the north, including electrification and the Northern Hub
•retention of the important direct link between South Humberside and Manchester Airport

To complement a rejuvenated Northern franchise that serves the interests of its passengers and local communities, the government’s vision is that TransPennine Express becomes the intercity rail operator for the north, operating fast, high-quality inter-regional services, with a strong focus on serving its customers well.

Shortlisted bidders for the TransPennine Express franchise have until 28 May 2015 to submit their bids. For Northern, the deadline is 26 June 2015.

It is anticipated that the new franchises will start in April 2016. Franchise management will be carried out by a joint Rail North Ltd and Department for Transport team based in West Yorkshire Combined Authority’s offices in Leeds under a partnership agreement with my department, which we expect to complete soon.
 
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These 120 new build vehicles - diesel or electric ? Does it say or is it vague ?

In reality I presume it has to be electric.
 

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Gonna take a while to go through it....

Government Consultation response says:
120 new build pacer replacement carriages for non electrified lines, ALL Pacers to go by 2020 (specificially spelled out)
Full refurbishment of all Northern existing northern diesel and electric trains to make them as new.
1/3rd increase in capacity into Northern cities
200 more trains on weekdays and Saturdays
300 more trains on sundays
£30m Northern station improvement fund
Free Wi Fi
 
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Diesel or hybrid (and must be properly bogied!)

The Department requires a Franchisee who will procure and bring into service, no
later than 1 January 2020, a minimum of 120 new carriages that are capable of
being used to operate Passenger Services on non-electrified routes. They must
be designed with future demand and users’ needs in mind, with a clear focus on
passenger comfort and with a thoroughly modern passenger environment and
exterior look. These must be newly-built (not re-using components from existing
rolling stock) and, unless the Bidder intends for them to be hauled by a locomotive,
must be capable of operating under their own power for significant distances on
non-electrified routes. This means that DMUs or IPEMUs with battery range
broadly comparable to or better than the unit currently being trialled in the Anglia
Franchise could contribute to meeting this requirement, but conventional EMUs or
EMUs with a “last mile diesel” capability would not. They must remain part of the
Train Fleet until the end of the Franchise Term. Bidders proposing to meet some
or all of this requirement with vehicles other than conventional DMUs, may (but
are not obliged to) raise a confidential BCQ and if they do the Department will
provide a view on whether the proposal would be acceptable in fulfilment of this
requirement.

From the Northern ITT Section 5.4.2.2
 
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Seems to specifically preclude D78 or pacer refurbishment programs, someone is gonna be disappointed. Must be new not recycled carriages unless LHCS.
 
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Yes, says battery powered acceptable but 'last mile diesel' rather than full bimode or DEMU conversion of existing EMU not allowed.


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Continuing through consultation response, paraphrasing 'we haven't been able to include everything people wanted but in areas where we haven't specifically set out a requirement it will be evauluated and weighted for service improvement value'. HS3/future shape of regions railways report to follow in March.

Responses to the set consultation questions, online and through emails and letters 1,020
Responses received in comment form, through emails and letters 590
RMT postcard campaign responses 9,315
Grimsby Telegraph Campaign petition and newspaper coupon responses 6,442
Wythenshawe Station Campaign group petition responses 3,599
Campaign for Better Transport (CBT) email campaign responses 550
TOTAL 21,516

1020 people specifically answered consultation question while a further 590 were photocopied identical responses which did answer question.

Top 5 issues:
Rolling Stock (wanted significant improvements)
Ticket office opening hours (majority of individual supported shorter opening hours, majority of organisations didnt)
Fare increases (50/50 split between those that would pay more for improvements and those who wouldnt)
Passengers saying they would spend more if there were more calls at smaller stations
Suggestions on how local groups could be involved in running stations and services

Top five postcard write in issues
• Remapping (transferring services from one franchise to another);
• Increasing service frequency;
• Maintaining current levels of service;
• The provision and role of staff on board trains; and
• Improving trains, particularly replacing the Pacer unit
And complaints about crowding, particularly in peak

Top 5 areas of concern
• Inter-urban north-west express (i.e. current TPE services between Manchester, Bolton, Blackpool, Barrow in Furness and Windermere
• South TransPennine (via the Hope Valley), including the East Midlands Liverpool – Norwich service
• Manchester - Rose Hill/Sheffield
• North Transpennine
• Chester - Northwich - Manchester

Remapping decisions:
Cleethorpes to Sheffield and Manchester Airport NO
Windermere to Oxenholme YES from franchise start (from 2/1 service per day to 4 each way per day)
Barrow-in-Furness to Manchester YES from franchise start (increase from 5 to 8 services per day by through working diagrams)
Blackpool to Manchester YES from franchise start (due to electrification, will have to be regional specified stock with fewer 'airline seats' and more baggage accomodation)
Cleethorpes and Grimsby to Barton-on-Humber (Northern to EMT) YES from 2017 when next EMT franchise starts
Scarborough to York DECISION DEFERRED (Network Rail working on proposals with their response due Feb 28th)
Liverpool to Norwich NOT CURRENTLY (Winning bidder after award will be asked to submit suggestions on how improvements can be captured while maintaining through service)

TPE North 6tph frequency, recognise 5ph frequency caused drop in performance which took time to recover. 6TPH TPE frequency will come in medium term, from Dec 2017 some Northern services will be dropped to make way for the 6th train with TPE skip stop picking up the former Northern station calls. When the line infrastructure has been upgraded to cope with the frequency Northern slows will be reintroduced and TPE calls dropped.

2tph Liverpool-Leeds via Victoria specified from December 2017, this will mean Warrington Central is dropped and Northern will have to introduce a Liverpool-Warrington-Manchester service to replace it. Warrington will also benefit from new Chester-Leeds via Manchester service.

Station remappings
TPE>Northern
Arnside 01-Apr-16
Barrow-in-Furness 01-Apr-16
Birchwood 01-Apr-16
Burneside 01-Apr-16
Carnforth 01-Apr-16
Grange-over-Sands 01-Apr-16
Kendal 01-Apr-16
Staveley 01-Apr-16
Ulverston 01-Apr-16
Warrington Central 01-Apr-16
Windermere 01-Apr-16

Northern>EMT
Barrow Haven Oct-17
Barton-On-Humber Oct-17
Goxhill Oct-17
Great Coates Oct-17
Grimsby Docks Oct-17
Habrough Oct-17
Healing Oct-17
New Clee Oct-17
New Holland Oct-17
Stallingborough Oct-17
Thornton Abbey Oct-17
Ulceby Oct-17

Franchise lengths, TPE 7 + 2 years, Northern 9 + 1 years

April 2016 to December 2017 Old timetable
By December 2017, new Northern timetable involving Blackpool electrification and increased capacity form new stock
By December 2018, New TPE timetable involving capacity improvement
December 2019, Further Northern timetabled capacity improvements, elimination of pacers, no more overcrowding
TPE Electrification and South TPE capacity improvements will be progressively negotiated as the infrastructure is completed
TPE bidders will be challenged to show how they can improve capacity before infrastructure works completed

Extra subsidised services to be provided as minimum (200 services weekdays/Saturdays, 300 services sundays) bidders can add their own enhancements

Weekday
•Newcastle-Carlisle: There is currently one Northern train per hour between Newcastle and Carlisle, and one further Northern train per hour between Newcastle and Hexham. By December 2017, we have specified two trains per hour across the full length of the route, allowing bidders flexibility to propose faster services if appropriate. In order to implement this, we are no longer specifying the shuttle service to the Metrocentre on weekdays.
• Bishop Auckland-Darlington: We have specified an hourly Northern service between these locations by December 2019, providing an increase from the current two-hourly service.
• Middlesbrough-Whitby: We have specified an extra Northern train from Whitby in the morning by December 2019, timed to enable people served by this route to travel to work in Middlesbrough

• Barrow-Manchester Airport: The TPE service between Barrow and Manchester Airport will be remapped to Northern, becoming a high-quality ‘Northern regional’ service. The direct service to Manchester Airport will be protected and it will increase to a minimum of eight Northern trains per day each way by December 2017. This is a significant improvement from the current service pattern of five TPE trains per day to Manchester.
• Chester-Manchester (and on to Leeds via the Calder Valley): There will be an extra train every hour between Chester and Manchester, via Warrington Central Government typo, should be WBQ, by December 2017. This service will continue on to Leeds via the Calder Valley, preserving a direct link between Warrington and Leeds after TPE trains between Liverpool and Manchester are rerouted via Newton-le-Willows.
• Cumbrian Coast: We have specified better services on the Cumbrian coast, with extra trains and re-timed trains that will be better targeted to serve Sellafield shift patterns and other peak passenger flows along the line. Some of this Northern service enhancement will be in place by December 2017, with the rest being in place by December 2019. Further detail on these improvements can be found in Figure 4.2, below.

• Liverpool-Manchester (and on to Leeds) via Newton-le-Willows: There is currently one TPE train per hour on this route. The hourly TPE service that currently runs via Warrington Central will run via Newton-le-Willows by December 2017, increasing the services on the Newton-le-Willows route to two TPE trains per hour; these are likely to run at half-hourly intervals, providing a more regular service pattern than is currently in place.
• Liverpool-Manchester Airport via Warrington Central: As explained in section 4.23, a ‘Northern regional’ service will be specified to run from Liverpool to Manchester Airport via Warrington Central by December 2017.
• Manchester-Bolton-Blackburn: There is currently one off-peak Northern train per hour on this route. We have specified an increase to two off-peak trains per hour by December 2017
• Manchester-Glasgow: We are specifying one extra evening train service each way between Manchester and Glasgow by December 2017.
• Manchester-Macclesfield: There is currently one off-peak Northern train per hour on this route. This will increase to two off-peak trains per hour by December 2017.
• Manchester-New Mills Newtown (and Buxton): There is currently one offpeak Northern train per hour on this route. There will be an additional offpeak stopping service every hour between Manchester and New Mills Newtown by December 2017. This extra service provides the opportunity to remove some calls from the existing service between Manchester and Buxton without reducing service frequency at those stations, allowing faster journeys for longer-distance passengers.
• Manchester-Northwich (and Chester): There is currently one off-peak Northern train per hour between Manchester and Chester via Northwich.
We have specified one extra train per hour between Manchester and Northwich by December 2017. This additional stopping service provides the opportunity to remove some calls from the existing service between Manchester and Chester without reducing service frequency at those stations, allowing faster journeys between Manchester and Chester.
• Manchester-Wigan: We have specified one extra Northern train per hour on this route by December 2017. This is intended to reduce the impact of TPE services reverting to running via Bolton once the electrification of the line between Manchester, Bolton and Preston – due in December 2016 – is completed.
• Windermere-Manchester Airport: We have specified two Northern trains per day each way on this route by December 2017, providing a more balanced service pattern. There are currently two direct TPE trains to Windermere and one direct TPE train to the Airport.
• Bolton-Stockport: We have specified one extra direct Northern train per hour between the Bolton corridor and Stockport corridor by December 2019, giving a total of two direct trains per hour.

• Hull-Bridlington-Scarborough: There are currently nine train services per day between Hull and Scarborough, which generally run about 90 minutes apart. This will increase to twelve trains per day by December 2017, broadly running on an hourly basis.
• Hull-Manchester: Hull will have an enhanced TPE weekday evening service by December 2017, with the last train back from Manchester being at least 90 minutes later than the current last service.
• York-Hull: We have specified a regular hourly Northern service pattern by December 2017. This will be significant improvement upon the current service level, as there is not a train every hour.
• Leeds-Harrogate: There are currently two off-peak Northern trains per hour between Leeds and Harrogate on weekdays. We have specified an increase to four trains per hour on this route in total by December 2017, when combined with the extra train service that will be provided on a twohourly basis in the new Intercity East Coast franchise. On alternate hours, this will amount to two extra Northern off-peak trains per hour and one extra Northern train per hour respectively.
• Leeds-Pontefract-Knottingley: We have specified one extra off-peak Northern train per hour on this route, as an extension of the existing service between Knottingley and Wakefield, by December 2017.
• Leeds-Settle-Carlisle: We have specified a new Northern service out of Leeds in the afternoon peak, specifically between 1700 and 1759, by December 2019. We are also specifying an additional evening journey from Carlisle back to Leeds by December 2019.
• Manchester-Halifax-Bradford: We have specified one extra Northern train per hour on this route by December 2019, making a total of three services per hour. Bradford will also get a regular direct service to Manchester Airport by Dec 2019.
• Sheffield-Worksop (and Lincoln): There is currently one Northern train per hour between Sheffield and Lincoln. We have specified one extra train per hour between Sheffield and Worksop by December 2019 which will allow faster services between Sheffield and Lincoln by removing calls at smaller intermediate stations.
• Skipton-Lancaster: There are currently five Northern trains per day in each direction between Skipton and Lancaster. We have specified two extra trains per day in each direction by December 2019, making a total of
seven trains in each direction.

SUNDAY
• Middlesbrough-Manchester: Middlesbrough will see its TPE service frequency doubled on Sundays by December 2017, giving an hourly service instead of the current two-hourly service. The first direct TPE train from Middlesbrough to Manchester will run more than an hour earlier than today by December 2017.
• Middlesbrough-Nunthorpe: There are currently no Sunday services between these locations for part of the year. We have specified that there will be an hourly Northern service between Middlesbrough and Nunthorpe all year round by December 2017, with these additional services providing improved connectivity with James Cook University Hospital.
• Middlesbrough-Sunderland-Newcastle: There is currently a two-hourly Northern service on this route, with a couple of extra services. By December 2017, this will become an hourly service.
• Morpeth-Newcastle (and MetroCentre): There are currently no Northern services on this route on Sundays. There will be seven Northern services per day by December 2017, serving Newcastle and MetroCentre.
• Whitby-Middlesbrough: There are currently Northern services on Sundays on this route for part of the year only. By December 2017, the route will have Sunday services all year round.
• Bishop Auckland-Darlington: There are currently five Northern trains per day between Bishop Auckland and Darlington. This will increase to eight Northern trains per day by December 2017.

• Barrow-Whitehaven: There are currently no Sunday services on this route. We have specified that Northern train services will operate on the full length of the Cumbrian coast on Sundays by December 2017. This will greatly improve the public transport options available to local residents, as well as making it possible for visitors to make day trips and weekend trips by train.
• Liverpool-Wigan: We have specified one extra Northern train per hour on Sundays on this route by December 2017, making a total of two trains per hour.
• Macclesfield/Stoke Line: There are currently five Northern trains a day on this route on Sundays. We have specified an hourly service all day by December 2017.
• Manchester-Edinburgh: We are specifying one extra Sunday train service each way between Manchester and Edinburgh by December 2017.
• Manchester-Glasgow: We are specifying one extra Sunday train service each way between Manchester and Glasgow by December 2017.
• Manchester-Sheffield: The ‘Hope Valley’ route between Manchester and Sheffield will have a more frequent TPE Sunday morning service from Manchester by December 2017, with the first TPE train running earlier than the current first train.
• Manchester-Stockport-Chester: There is currently a two-hourly Northern service on this route on Sundays, but this will become an hourly service by December 2017.

• Bradford-Skipton and Bradford-Ilkley: There is currently a two-hourly Northern service on each of these routes. We have specified hourly services by December 2017.
• Cleethorpes-Manchester: The last direct Sunday service back to Manchester from Cleethorpes will be an hour later than the current last direct service by December 2017.
• Hull-Bridlington-Scarborough: There are currently six Northern trains per day between Hull and Scarborough. This will increase to twelve trains per day by December 2017.
• Hull-Manchester: Hull will have more direct TPE trains to and from Manchester on a Sunday by December 2017, with the first direct train to Manchester arriving at least 45 minutes earlier than the current first direct train.
• Leeds-Doncaster: The current two-hourly Northern service between these locations will become an hourly service by December 2017.
• Leeds-Harrogate: There is currently one Northern train per hour between these locations on Sundays. We have specified one extra train per hour by December 2017, making a total of two trains per hour.
• Leeds-Moorthorpe-Sheffield: We have specified an hourly Northern service on this route by December 2017, providing an increase from the
current two-hourly service.
• Leeds-Selby: There is currently an irregular service pattern between these locations on Sundays. There will be an hourly Northern stopping service between Leeds and Selby by December 2017.

• Sheffield-Penistone-Huddersfield: The current two-hourly Northern service between these locations will become an hourly service by December 2017, going through to Huddersfield.
• Sheffield-Worksop-Lincoln: We have specified significantly enhanced Northern services on this route by December 2017. An hourly service will operate from late morning, compared with the current mid-afternoon start.
• York-Hull: There is currently an irregular service pattern between these locations on Sundays. There will be an hourly Northern stopping service between York and Hull by December 2017.

EXTENSIONS
Leeds-Manchester extended to Warrington and Chester from 2017 and Manchester Airport from 2019

Manchester-Todmorden extended to Accrington and Blackburn before franchise commencement

Boxing Day Services
Bidder will be required to work with Northern to develop Boxing Day service proposals and a Boxing Day timetable in their first year.

Other Future Improvements
Other improvements possible in future;
TPE Bidders will be expected to propose a direct service between either Blackpool or Liverpool and Scotland.

Northern bidder will be expected to propose reinstating local services when upgrades to accommodate 6tph frequency completed

Manchester-Sheffield Hope Valley, bidders will be expected to propose an extra hourly stopper when Network Rail consultations on the line have been completed

Manchester-Scotland (via Wigan/Bolton), Scotland trains will return to Bolton route and Northern will be required to add a high Speed Manchester-Wigan service replacement. bidders will be free to decide if Blackpool/Barrow service goes via Wigan or Bolton

Whitby-Middlesbrough, a new potash mine is proposed and bidders will have to work around this in their timetable.

Bidders will be expected to engage with a proposal from Nottingham council for faster Nottingham and Leeds services.

Other TSR speed improvements can be proposed by bidders or will be implemented by others and services should be proposed around them, in addition bidders are encouraged to experiment with improving Parliamentary service frequencies.

Bidders will be required to meet DFT minimum crowding standards by Dec 2018 for Northern and Dec 19 for TPE, this means at least a 1/3rd increase in seats, bidders will be evaluated against requirement people shouldn't stand for more than 20 minutes.

Morning Peak seatinf capacity improvement

City/Northern Seats+standing/TPE seats/Total
Leeds 3800 2100 5900
Liverpool 1800 600 2500
Manchester 17200 2200 19400
Sheffield 1900 499 2400
Total 24800 5500 30300

Leeds 15% 38% 19%
Liverpool 30% 80% 36%
Manchester 49% 44% 49%
Sheffield 33% 61% 36%
Total 34% 45% 36%

Government now accepts that there doesn't have to be a tradeoff between rolling stock improvement and service levels

Northern rolling stock requirement, complete fleet refurbishment, end to pacers, 120 new diesel carriages, can keep stock freed from electrification, Northern is expected to offer differentiated stock for Commuter and long distance services, Scenic+tourism benefits will be rewarded similar to Scottish specification.

TPE rolling stock requirement, to continue to provide the high quality stock standard people already enjoy, will have to provide enough stock to meet timetable requirements.

Northern station improvement fund to be set at £2.3m per year, TPE at £700k per year after the fourth year, station improvements must be annual rather than concentrated at start of franchise. Some station responsibilities will be transferred from Network Rail to Bidders including 40 year franchise asset for station improvements (TOC can invest more in a station and repay it over 40 years rather than just during the length of franchise)

Network Rail wants to take over Manchester Victoria and Manchester Oxford Road, GMCA has submitted a business plan to take over all stations in Greater Manchester, will take time to assess such a large proposal so bidders should assume status quo with any changes coming from a franchise deed of alteration.

Free WI-FI on all Northern/TPE trains mandatory from Dec 2019 but bidders encouraged to implement this target earlier.

Revenue protection, see separate reports but Government believes for northern 6.6% and 11.5% of travel is ticketless losing approx. £30m per year, for TPE 4.1% losing £8m per year. Bidders should propose how they will address this. Northern required to gradually implement DOO with second member of staff then concentrating on revenue protection/customer service. Driver only operation (no guard/conductor) will only be permitted where bidder can show all stations will be adequately gated. Government decided not to specify ticket office hours with existing hours to continue as minimum, bidders will however be expected to improve staffing efficiency. Also expected there will be a large increase in staff for the two franchises.

Northern rail will be required to appoint a community lines Partnershup manager and spend £500k per year on line partnerships, TPE will no longer serve any lines with Community Partnerships but should be proactive in supporting them.

Fares, bidders should assume normal national fare increases and no exceptional increases. Zonal fares should be introduced around cities to allows smart ticketing, split ticketing/fare PTE Boundary fare dropoffs should end. Ticket machines are confusing and should be improved.

Franchise management, the formal partnership between Dft and Rail North means that Dft oversight will be provided by a local joint team based in Leeds (i.e. away from Whitehall)
 
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Noooo!!!
Why put Barton to Cleethorpes in EMT???
That's the first train home from Scunthorpe in the morning gone now. Thanks alot DaFT.
"Cleethorpes and Grimsby to Barton" that means trains won't always start in Ceethorpes I assume. This is terrible.
This is ontop of 2 trains now terminated at Doncaster soon.
So an extra train from Sheffield to Worksop is introduced yet they don't extend it to Gainsborough Central, Brigg and Cleethorpes? What a wasted opportunity.
Are the South Humber routes the only ones without improvement?
 
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Haven't had a chance to digest it all, but from what I've scanned on here,

Good to see maintenance of service frequencies coming out as a key concern. A timely shot across the bows for those who would sacrifice rural services.

Disappointing that the need for later evening services out of Cities hasn't been a key issue

Good that the Whitby line will get an extra service to make it more useful for local transport, although a higher frequency would be more desirable.

Excellent news that the Cumbrian Coast is to get a Sunday service.

Two extra trains between Skipton and Lancaster - excellent news. Hopefully this will allow the last service back From Lancaster to leave later than half seven.
 

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Seems to specifically preclude D78 or pacer refurbishment programs, someone is gonna be disappointed. Must be new not recycled carriages unless LHCS.

Well does it though?

Might preclude D78's form the 120 new build but with the need to replace about 214 Railbus vehicles, and the proposed increases in services and capacity will electrification cascades and 120 new vehicles be enough? so might we end up with these 120 new vehicles plus some D78's?:lol:
 

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Well does it though?

Might preclude D78's form the 120 new build but with the need to replace about 214 Railbus vehicles, and the proposed increases in services and capacity will electrification cascades and 120 new vehicles be enough? so might we end up with these 120 new vehicles plus some D78's?:lol:

That's what I think.

120 new vehicles will not replace all the pacers, although if you factor in electrification cascades this might be possible long term. D78 conversions would make a good stop gap until electrification is rolled out more widely.
 

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No mention of improved service for Knottingley-Goole or Retford-Gainsborough Central-Brigg lines?
 

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Regional stock for Northern services between Manchester and Blackpool with a limited Manchester to Windermere service.

That sounds like why moving 350/4s from TPE to Northern is being considered.
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120 new vehicles will not replace all the pacers, although if you factor in electrification cascades this might be possible long term. D78 conversions would make a good stop gap until electrification is rolled out more widely.

The spec allows Northern to take on cascaded 15xs or 17xs from other operators if they are surplus to requirements.
 

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No mention of improved service for Knottingley-Goole or Retford-Gainsborough Central-Brigg lines?

Sounds like bidders would, though, be scored for providing extra services over current parliamentary routes ifbthey can demonstrate demand.
 

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Northern will run a Liverpool-Warrington-Manchester 'high specification' service in the current path of the Liverpool-Scarborough service.

Looks like Manchester Airport-Cleethorpes and Liverpool-Norwich will continue to be the only fast trains between Manchester and Sheffield. The additional Manchester-Warrington-Chester service (which was mooted as a service which could come from Sheffield) will be an extension of a Calder Vale one.
 

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To say the ITT has gone down badly with many Northern staff would be an understatement of biblical proportions, particularly......

"...The Department requires a franchisee who, during each Reporting Period from the first such period that commences on or after 01 January 2020 until the end of the Franchise Term, will operate a minimum of 50 per cent of all passenger train mileage under the driver's full operational control. For the avoidance of doubt this means that the train must be fitted with the necessary equipment, the driver must be suitably trained and all other necessary steps must have been taken to enable the train to operate in passenger service without the need for a second member of staff onboard...."
 

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To say the ITT has gone down badly with many Northern staff would be an understatement of biblical proportions, particularly......

"...The Department requires a franchisee who, during each Reporting Period from the first such period that commences on or after 01 January 2020 until the end of the Franchise Term, will operate a minimum of 50 per cent of all passenger train mileage under the driver's full operational control. For the avoidance of doubt this means that the train must be fitted with the necessary equipment, the driver must be suitably trained and all other necessary steps must have been taken to enable the train to operate in passenger service without the need for a second member of staff onboard...."

'Without the need' but it does say a second onboard member of staff will focus on revenue collection. Surely this just puts an end to 'delayed waiting for a member of train crew' in half of the current cases as if need be you can leave without the revenue collector.
 

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It does say onboard staff is still required unless all stations on the route are manned (i.e. gated to prevent revenue loss and to provide disability support). It encourages the redeployment of guard into onboard customer service/revenue protection role. Finally it says they expect the franchise head count to be significantly increased due to extra services and customer service requirement.

Tonys confusion prompted a closer examination and there is a government typo, in the consultation response is says there will be Chester-Warrington Central-Manchester-Leeds service but in the ITT it correctly says Warrington Bank Quay
 
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To say the ITT has gone down badly with many Northern staff would be an understatement of biblical proportions, particularly......

"...The Department requires a franchisee who, during each Reporting Period from the first such period that commences on or after 01 January 2020 until the end of the Franchise Term, will operate a minimum of 50 per cent of all passenger train mileage under the driver's full operational control. For the avoidance of doubt this means that the train must be fitted with the necessary equipment, the driver must be suitably trained and all other necessary steps must have been taken to enable the train to operate in passenger service without the need for a second member of staff onboard...."

Where is that in the ITT?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...file/407802/northern-invitation-to-tender.pdf

I've searched for four different sentences within that quote and none of them could be found. Has one of the unions reworded something from the ITT and circulated it to members?
 

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where is that in the itt?

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...file/407802/northern-invitation-to-tender.pdf

i've searched for four different sentences within that quote and none of them could be found. Has one of the unions reworded something from the itt and circulated it to members?

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'Without the need' but it does say a second onboard member of staff will focus on revenue collection. Surely this just puts an end to 'delayed waiting for a member of train crew' in half of the current cases as if need be you can leave without the revenue collector.

It does say onboard staff is still required unless all stations on the route are manned (i.e. gated to prevent revenue loss and to provide disability support). It encourages the redeployment of guard into onboard customer service/revenue protection role. Finally it says they expect the franchise head count to be significantly increased due to extra services and customer service requirement.y

Yes, the earlier quote is taken out of context and misleading. If anything the ITT suggests an increase in staffing levels, which can only be a good thing.
 

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Im not entirely sure about that, Northern is already the most staff heavy franchise with about 2/3rds of its costs being staff salaries (partly of course due to it having the largest number of stations to maintain). Government suggests however this could be mitigated by extra revenue protection recovering an extra £8m from TPE and £30m from Northern, and naturally a train twice as long still having two staff is twice as efficent.
 
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Im not entirely sure about that, Northern is already the most staff heavy franchise with about 2/3rds of its costs being staff salaries (partly of course due to it having the largest number of stations to maintain). Government suggests however this could be mitigated by extra revenue protection recovering an extra £8m from TPE and £30m from Northern, and naturally a train twice as long still having two staff is twice as efficent.

Agreed, and with the increase in number if services surely the majority of the disgruntled guards will be trained to become drivers anyway?
 

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Out of interest, how many Northern routes could have all stations staffed and gated to prevent revenue loss? Also, would this be more or less efficient than retaining conductors on all trains?
 
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