Northern rolling stock changes post electrification

[Bovverboy]

Caught 319363 in service with Northern today. In the same plain white livery as 361

I've seen 362 and 366, too, in that livery, in recent days.

 

[childwallblues]

I've seen 362 and 366, too, in that livery, in recent days.

Plus 450.

 

[MML]

The former Northern Electrics livery was a modern, stylish and a vibrant colour scheme. I liked it.
The new livery is off-white, blue doors and a few logos with web addresses. Hardly in the same league and more prone to looking grubby in the operating conditions up North.
One wonders why there is always a continual need for change even when change isn't required. It certainly isn't top of the list of customer requirements. :roll:

 

[edwin_m]

When the 319s first arrived they were the latest thing on Northern and somebody decided to give them a new livery. However once the new stock arrives the 319s will be on fairly run-of-the-mill journeys alongside the 150s. If a distinctive livery is needed it will be for the stock used on "Northern Connect".

 

[8A Rail]

When the 319s first arrived they were the latest thing on Northern and somebody decided to give them a new livery. However once the new stock arrives the 319s will be on fairly run-of-the-mill journeys alongside the 150s. If a distinctive livery is needed it will be for the stock used on "Northern Connect".

Precisely but "off white"!!!!

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

When the 319s first arrived they were the latest thing on Northern and somebody decided to give them a new livery. However once the new stock arrives the 319s will be on fairly run-of-the-mill journeys alongside the 150s. If a distinctive livery is needed it will be for the stock used on "Northern Connect".

The new 319 livery is just the same as that shown over the past year for the new trains (195/331), apart from the different front end.
It will probably look better on longer 23m vehicles (less "fussy").

 

[physics34]

Precisely but "off white"!!!!

cheap to just revinyl them from Thameslink

 

[physics34]

Did the Channel Tunnel pair have a special livery? 1993 was it?
I travelled on one but can't remember.

dont believe so....were they not just in NSE?

 

[Bovverboy]

Originally Posted by Bovverboy
I've seen 362 and 366, too, in that livery, in recent days.

Plus 450.

But is 450 actually in service? There was a loose report of it having done a journey to Preston in mid-March, but no-one claimed to have seen it, and it hasn't been mentioned since.

 

[childwallblues]

But is 450 actually in service? There was a loose report of it having done a journey to Preston in mid-March, but no-one claimed to have seen it, and it hasn't been mentioned since.

It is in service most days. 448 is not yet in service.

 

[fowler9]

It is in service most days. 448 is not yet in service.

Has 450 got the new toilet? If so I was on it the other day. What are its seat covers like?

 

[Loop & Link]

New Toilet and flooring. First Capital Connect moquette seating and old ex-First Class section.

 

[blueboy]

Could anyone confirm if this unit is now in service ? details of it's schedule for today would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any replies.
Dave

 

[childwallblues]

Could anyone confirm if this unit is now in service ? details of it's schedule for today would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any replies.
Dave

Do not know whether it is in service yet but it was on the departure road at Allerton earlier in the week.
Could have been going on a test run?

 

[1179_Clee2]

New RAIL magazine 826

AUTUMN CASCADE IN THE PIPELINE FOR DMUs

A small cascade of Porterbrook owned DMU's involving GWR, London Midland and Northern is planned for later this year.
Five GWR Class 153's are scheduled to move to LM in the autumn to replace three Class 150/1's, which will move to Northern. The single car 153's are 153325/329/333/361/369, and are the only five leased from Porterbrook by GWR. They will replace 150105/107/109, which are the only members of the class leased by LM.


Its always been known that the 3 LM 150/1 were going to Northern, we now know what will replace them

 

[Clarence Yard]

New RAIL magazine 826

AUTUMN CASCADE IN THE PIPELINE FOR DMUs

A small cascade of Porterbrook owned DMU's involving GWR, London Midland and Northern is planned for later this year.
Five GWR Class 153's are scheduled to move to LM in the autumn to replace three Class 150/1's, which will move to Northern. The single car 153's are 153325/329/333/361/369, and are the only five leased from Porterbrook by GWR. They will replace 150105/107/109, which are the only members of the class leased by LM.


Its always been known that the 3 LM 150/1 were going to Northern, we now know what will replace them

I suspect that is utter garbage. Not least because the 3 x 150/1 units are actually owned by Angel, the 2 x 153 issue on the Marston Vale and the ever so slight issue that GW are leasing the 5 x PB 153 units through to at least Dec 2018, with DfT support.

Did anybody check their facts with GWR before printing?

 

[MCR247]

Also what would be replacing the 5x153 at GW?

 

[1179_Clee2]

I suspect that is utter garbage. Not least because the 3 x 150/1 units are actually owned by Angel, the 2 x 153 issue on the Marston Vale and the ever so slight issue that GW are leasing the 5 x PB 153 units through to at least Dec 2018, with DfT support.

Did anybody check their facts with GWR before printing?

May be or may be not utter garbage? but on a different page in the same RAIL magazine, GWR will need 18 class 387's to run the Paddington to Maidenhead service from May 21st. Five pairs for the service plus spares and driver training units. This will kick start the internal DMU cascade at GWR to the west. Now GWR can either send 2 car DMU's to Northern OR 1 car DMU's to LM in the Autumn, the latter would keep more 2 car DMU's at GWR which would be more useful to them.

 

[Clarence Yard]

May be or may be not utter garbage? but on a different page in the same RAIL magazine, GWR will need 18 class 387's to run the Paddington to Maidenhead service from May 21st. Five pairs for the service plus spares and driver training units. This will kick start the internal DMU cascade at GWR to the west. Now GWR can either send 2 car DMU's to Northern OR 1 car DMU's to LM in the Autumn, the latter would keep more 2 car DMU's at GWR which would be more useful to them.

150101/2/24 are the 3 units that should be leaving GWR this autumn. Some of the units released by Maidenhead will be used to release an HST set for Scotland, boosting the Turbo mods programme (to mod enough units for the December TT class 150 release schedule) as well as kicking off that cascade to the West.

 

[Jamesrob637]

New RAIL magazine 826

AUTUMN CASCADE IN THE PIPELINE FOR DMUs

A small cascade of Porterbrook owned DMU's involving GWR, London Midland and Northern is planned for later this year.
Five GWR Class 153's are scheduled to move to LM in the autumn to replace three Class 150/1's, which will move to Northern. The single car 153's are 153325/329/333/361/369, and are the only five leased from Porterbrook by GWR. They will replace 150105/107/109, which are the only members of the class leased by LM.


Its always been known that the 3 LM 150/1 were going to Northern, we now know what will replace them

It might be a little early to say, but are these 3-car 150s replacing any 2-car 150s on specific diagrams, and releasing said 2-car 150s to strengthen other diagrams to 4-car? Good news though; most folk I know don't overly care about the actual age of the train, they'd just like to get a seat or for it to not be unbearably crowded.

 

[jonesy3001]

The LM 150/1s are only 2 car.

 

[Jonny]

I would have thought that once the Class 387s begin reaching Maidenhead on a regular basis, there would be plenty of freed-up units available, even if they are used to cover refurbishment at first.

 

[Jamesrob637]

The LM 150/1s are only 2 car.

Thanks for the amendment! So will these ex-LM units only replace Northern ones going for refurbishment?

 

[jonesy3001]

Thanks for the amendment! So will these ex-LM units only replace Northern ones going for refurbishment?

All the 150/1s will be based at northern, some will be going 3 car with the remaining 150/2s in the middle for the yorkshire lines but i could be mistaken.

 

[Mollman]

I would have thought that once the Class 387s begin reaching Maidenhead on a regular basis, there would be plenty of freed-up units available, even if they are used to cover refurbishment at first.

Not really as they are only covering peak extras - the main cascade will be when the wiring reaches Reading so electrics can take over all Paddington - Reading / Didcot locals.

 

[northwichcat]

All the 150/1s will be based at northern, some will be going 3 car with the remaining 150/2s in the middle for the yorkshire lines but i could be mistaken.

They'll still be plenty of 2 car 150/1s and /2s at Northern after the 3 car hybrids have been created. The Knottingley and Penistone lines have been confirmed as getting 3 car 150s but the number being created will be more than just those 2 lines will need.

 

[superkev]

I wonder which will appear first. The 150's from down south or the 170's from up north.
As a sideline isn't it odd that GW have just one 158 centre car.
K

 

[507021]

I wonder which will appear first. The 150's from down south or the 170's from up north.
As a sideline isn't it odd that LM have just one 158 centre car.
K

As far as I'm aware London Midland don't have any Class 158 carriages.

 

[northwichcat]

As a sideline isn't it odd that LM have just one 158 centre car.

Do they? They don't have any 158 driving cars so I'm not sure what use it would be!

 

[railfan100]

I wonder which will appear first. The 150's from down south or the 170's from up north.
As a sideline isn't it odd that LM have just one 158 centre car.
K

What is not odd about the UK 'privately run' rail system. The system today costs the taxpayer more than it did under BR in its finals years. Nothing seems to make sense within the system these days.