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Is anyone able to post the workings of 319009/319011 for tomorrow morning if possible please? Many thanks
 
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Techniquest said:
There was certainly PIS at Heswall when I visited it earlier this year. Green Lane posted photographic proof of it at Upton in his thread on the area earlier this summer.

Meols Cop I have no idea, still not visited it yet. Otherwise, yes every Merseyrail station has PIS.
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Errr...what has this got to do with the 319 cascade? As has been said before, there is a separate thread for infrastructure & stations!
 
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Piccadilly crews are route learning to Chester. My source tells me that they currently work from Oxford Road to Manchester Airport but there are no plans yet to train them on 319s. Sounds like there could be a redistribution of work between Piccadilly and Victoria crews.
 
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Piccadilly have done Chester for years. In fact Piccadilly have probably done the majority of the Chesters since 2008. They don't however sign via Warrington Bank Quay which Victoria drivers do to work the early & late ECS.
 
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Carlisle said:
I have not found ticket machines crash too often but quite a few appear have serious problems with their unresponsive touchscreens meaning you really have to bash them hard to make a selection
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Bash them hard is what happens at stage 1. When they've been used a bit more bash them hard no longer works and it keeps flashing up 'transaction interrupted' and makes you start again.
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Piccadilly have done Chester for years. In fact Piccadilly have probably done the majority of the Chesters since 2008. They don't however sign via Warrington Bank Quay which Victoria drivers do to work the early & late ECS.
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Under FNW Chester services were mainly worked by Victoria and Chester crews. The ones worked by Victoria crews had problems due to the contractor for taxis being unreliable, while Chester crews continued to sign Mid-Cheshire services even after FNW lost the North Wales services as the diagrams weren't revised.

From what I understand now Victoria drivers work the services which are part of a diagram involving an ECS via Warrington (as you say) or an ECS via Denton and some Sunday services, with the rest being operated by Piccadilly drivers. Victoria guards don't sign the line but Buxton guards do, while Buxton drivers don't. Simple. :roll:
 
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I've deleted several posts that don't belong in this thread. Please keep the discussion on topic and start a new thread if you want to talk about other matters such as PIS.
 
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adsteamfan said:
Errr...what has this got to do with the 319 cascade? As has been said before, there is a separate thread for infrastructure & stations!
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For someone with just 1 post, that's one helluva attitude! <(

I was merely replying to a question within the thread. At least now I know which post was deleted, something the PM from the moderators didn't tell me. Not complaining, just saying...
 
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jcollins said:
From what I understand now Victoria drivers work the services which are part of a diagram involving an ECS via Warrington (as you say) or an ECS via Denton and some Sunday services, with the rest being operated by Piccadilly drivers. Victoria guards don't sign the line but Buxton guards do, while Buxton drivers don't. Simple. :roll:
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That explains it! I've been wondering why I occasionally see an unfamiliar face on the mid-cheshire line! The question is though - what other routes do Buxton guards sign? Assuming they don't sign EMUs that's a little limited - unless it includes Sheffield.
 
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Manchester Victoria drivers work a few of the Chesters during the day, not just the first and last. Piccadilly drivers don't sign via Denton or via Warrington BQ. There has to be enough Chester work for the 72 Vic drivers who sign the routes to maintain knowledge retention, that means at least half a dozen jobs per day.
 
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starmill said:
The question is though - what other routes do Buxton guards sign? Assuming they don't sign EMUs that's a little limited - unless it includes Sheffield.
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Presumably they sign Manchester-Preston/Blackpool.

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Piccadilly drivers don't sign via Denton or via Warrington BQ. There has to be enough Chester work for the 72 Vic drivers who sign the routes to maintain knowledge retention, that means at least half a dozen jobs per day.
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At the moment there's no ECS via Warrington BQ due to the Chat Moss works but presumably any services usually booked to go that way are still being worked by Victoria drivers.
 
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Buxton guards sign Piccadilly to Preston, not 100% sure about Blackpool, I have not taken one there for years now.

Victoria drivers are indeed working the ECS via Stockport while the Chat Moss is blocked.
 
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Just to be clear, are 361/363/364/365/380 with Northern now? Any more to go up in the coming weeks?
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319361 - Allerton - Arrived at Allerton 20/06/14
319362 - Wolverton - Arrived at Wolverton 01/08/14
319363 - Allerton - Arrived at Wolverton 01/09/14, Arrived at Allerton 11/09/14
319364 - Wolverton - Arrived at Wolverton 14/09/14
319365 - Wolverton - Arrived at Wolverton 14/09/14
319380 - Allerton - Arrived at Wolverton 14/09/14, Arrived at Allerton 15/09/14 (unit on loan to Northern for driver training)
 
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robert7111a said:
Just to be clear, are 361/363/364/365/380 with Northern now? Any more to go up in the coming weeks?
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No units are due until 2015. The introduction of the 387s may release more units but first one won't be with Thameslink until next month. Currently Thameslink is several units down after giving Northern units early so unlikely more units will arrive shortly.
 
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Class377/5 said:
No units are due until 2015. The introduction of the 387s may release more units but first one won't be with Thameslink until next month. Currently Thameslink is several units down after giving Northern units early so unlikely more units will arrive shortly.
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Based on the DfT announcement in April Northern are due to have 3 x 319s this year, with sufficient crew training so that 2 daily diagrams can be operated by 319s from the December timetable change. One of two released units was supposed to indirectly provide an additional 4 car working on Hazel Grove-Preston, with the other indirectly to provide the Todmorden extension. I say indirectly because there's to be rejigging so that there's less 2 car Pacer services in the Manchester area, with the Pacers being used to provide the extra Hazel Grove-Preston capacity and the Todmorden extension.

I think when Northern took on the 180s in time for the December timetable change (as the 150s weren't released in time) they had them available for crew training by September.
 
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jcollins said:
Based on the DfT announcement in April Northern are due to have 3 x 319s this year, with sufficient crew training so that 2 daily diagrams can be operated by 319s from the December timetable change.
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The plan was for Northern to have four units this year. The idea was two in service from December plus one spare/maintenance and another for driver training. The 4th unit would have been released by the arrival of the 387s.

What happen is 6 have been released meaning Thameslink is now shorter than planned. (The 6x 377/2 transfers also have to cover for three units away for overhaul.)
 
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The plan was for Northern to have four units this year. The idea was two in service from December plus one spare/maintenance and another for driver training. The 4th unit would have been released by the arrival of the 387s.

What happen is 6 have been released meaning Thameslink is now shorter than planned. (The 6x 377/2 transfers also have to cover for three units away for overhaul.)
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Explains the 4 car on a peak Bedford train tonight...
 
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