Northern Pacer Diagrams - Summer 2020

[SteveyBee131]

Yes. The diagrams run Monday - Saturday.

 

[TheSel]

Today (31 July 2020) - 142071 makes its Upholland call when working the 1035 Kirkby - Manchester Victoria

 

[_toommm_]

Guess it was a case of me being blind Then. Thank you

 

[Dart34518]

142071 at Sheffield yesterday prior to working the 16:14 to Manchester. Unit was rostered on the Hope Valley all day.

 

[Jim]

For ref
142068+150142 2S01 0604 New Mills C - Man Picc etc
142071+150115 2R00 0633 Man Picc - Rose Hill etc
142004+156455 2J60 0642 Rochdale - Man Vic etc
142078+150137 2K61 0615 Man Vic Kirkby etc

Afternoon New Mills turn not allocated yet.

 

[Revaulx]

142078 was at Piccadilly on Tuesday afternoon on 2S28 to New Mills. Afraid I didn’t really notice what it was coupled to.

 

[HST43257]

I’ve heard that the pacers have very limited days from here onwards and very few remain. First of all, is this correct and second of all, which of the diagrams do pacers still operate?

 

[Leyland155]

Hi all, does anyone have the pacer diagrams for tomorrow? Thanks.

 

[Rail Ranger]

I’ve heard that the pacers have very limited days from here onwards and very few remain. First of all, is this correct and second of all, which of the diagrams do pacers still operate?

Northern have confirmed that they will be using class 142s until December.

 

[Jim]

Hi all, does anyone have the pacer diagrams for tomorrow? Thanks.

I believe they are the same as previous weeks.

 

[Jim]

12/08
142004 Kirkby turn
142065 New Mills/PM Sheffields turn
142078 Rose Hill turn
PM peak New Mills turn TBC

 

[dave87016]

Does anyone have the diagrams and units for today please

Many thanks in advance for any help greatly appreciated

 

[Jim]

15/08
142004+150134
0546 0849 1149 1449 1749 2049 Man Pic to Sheffield

142087+150103
0615 0913 1215 1515 1826 Man Vic to Kirkby

 

[HST43257]

I’ve heard there’s new diagrams coming out for early to mid September - does anyone know
A) if this is true
B) what they are
thanks

 

[_toommm_]

I’ve heard there’s new diagrams coming out for early to mid September - does anyone know
A) if this is true
B) what they are
thanks

There’s a timetable change in September so new diagrams on those dates will corroborate with the timetable change.

 

[Rail Ranger]

There is a timetable change on Northern on Monday 14th September. The 142s are said to be losing their booked diagrams to Sheffield in favour of use on the Mid Cheshire Line.

 

[HST43257]

There is a timetable change on Northern on Monday 14th September. The 142s are said to be losing their booked diagrams to Sheffield in favour of use on the Mid Cheshire Line.

Will the Rose Hill diagram move to the mid Cheshire?

 

[Rail Ranger]

Will the Rose Hill diagram move to the mid Cheshire?

The Rose Hill diagram will cease to exist apart from one train mid-morning (presumably to maintain route knowledge). I've not seen the detail of the new diagrams.

 

[peters]

Will the Rose Hill diagram move to the mid Cheshire?

The set of trains which run the 05:56 Chester to Piccadilly and 08:02 Chester to Piccadilly will either go on to other services or back to the depot. They'll be 2 sets of trains which run services all day on a 2 hourly basis, as is the case now. They'll also be an 08:08 Piccadilly to Chester, which I'm told will come off the 07:01 Buxton to Piccadilly not the 05:56 Chester to Piccadilly, that set will shunt in to the sidings at Chester until the afternoon when it will then run the 16:02 Chester to Piccadilly and the 17:41 Piccadilly to Chester.

So they'll be a total of 5 sets used in the morning peak, 2 for the off-peak services and 3 for the evening peak services with one of the sets being used at peak times also being used on a Buxton service.

I've got no idea which one of them will be Pacers though, if it's one of them then that's one too many in my opinion!

 

[_toommm_]

The set of trains which run the 05:56 Chester to Piccadilly and 08:02 Chester to Piccadilly will either go on to other services or back to the depot. They'll be 2 sets of trains which run services all day on a 2 hourly basis, as is the case now. They'll also be an 08:08 Piccadilly to Chester, which I'm told will come off the 07:01 Buxton to Piccadilly not the 05:56 Chester to Piccadilly, that set will shunt in to the sidings at Chester until the afternoon when it will then run the 16:02 Chester to Piccadilly and the 17:41 Piccadilly to Chester.

So they'll be a total of 5 sets used in the morning peak, 2 for the off-peak services and 3 for the evening peak services with one of the sets being used at peak times also being used on a Buxton service.

I've got no idea which one of them will be Pacers though, if it's one of them then that's one too many in my opinion!

At least it's extra capacity - I hear there's fears of severe overcrowding once schools go back in September!

 

[peters]

At least it's extra capacity - I hear there's fears of severe overcrowding once schools go back in September!

They have agreed to add in one extra service in the morning from 31st August but that won't cover all schoolchildren, while even with the additional services from 14th September some scholars will have to wait until 5pm for a train home based on what another poster has said about flows to and from Altrincham schools. With services like the 07:41 Manchester to Chester and 14:02 Chester to Manchester also not operating from 14th September, other services will still have to carry passengers who usually travel on those services i.e. the ones the schoolchildren use.

 

[SteveyBee131]

The set of trains which run the 05:56 Chester to Piccadilly and 08:02 Chester to Piccadilly will either go on to other services or back to the depot. They'll be 2 sets of trains which run services all day on a 2 hourly basis, as is the case now. They'll also be an 08:08 Piccadilly to Chester, which I'm told will come off the 07:01 Buxton to Piccadilly not the 05:56 Chester to Piccadilly, that set will shunt in to the sidings at Chester until the afternoon when it will then run the 16:02 Chester to Piccadilly and the 17:41 Piccadilly to Chester.

So they'll be a total of 5 sets used in the morning peak, 2 for the off-peak services and 3 for the evening peak services with one of the sets being used at peak times also being used on a Buxton service.

I've got no idea which one of them will be Pacers though, if it's one of them then that's one too many in my opinion!

The diagram which has the Buxton trip can't use a Pacer, as they're banned from the Buxton line. Think it's the gradients but I could be wrong.

 

[TrainTube]

Im going to Leeds next Wednesday. What services would pacers operate around Leeds? Ive seen them before on Sheffield via Castlefords and also Knottingleys.

 

[Mdu 66741]

Im going to Leeds next Wednesday. What services would pacers operate around Leeds? Ive seen them before on Sheffield via Castlefords and also Knottingleys.

I don't think there's any pacers doing service's around Leeds anymore

 

[dave87016]

I don't think there's any pacers doing service's around Leeds anymore

I would echo that sentiment I had a few hours at Leeds during the day on Saturday and didn’t see a single pacer

 

[SteveyBee131]

Im going to Leeds next Wednesday. What services would pacers operate around Leeds? Ive seen them before on Sheffield via Castlefords and also Knottingleys.

The nearest Pacers to Leeds are the 144s in warm storage at Keighley unfortunately. The only Pacers Northern have in service are the handful of 142s operating around Manchester.

 

[Jamesrob637]

Why can't 2-car 144s operate, coupled to a PRM-compliant unit as per the 142s? Thinking 3-car plus another unit might be overkill on most routes.

 

[TrainTube]

I don't think there's any pacers doing service's around Leeds anymore

How come Northern arent operating any 144s anymore, especially with covid going on to increase capacity etc.

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The nearest Pacers to Leeds are the 144s in warm storage at Keighley unfortunately. The only Pacers Northern have in service are the handful of 142s operating around Manchester.

Are these in Keighley station or some sidings/stabling point.

 

[SteveyBee131]

How come Northern arent operating any 144s anymore, especially with covid going on to increase capacity etc.

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Are these in Keighley station or some sidings/stabling point.

I couldn't give a concrete answer your first question as I'm not overly familiar with Northern allocations around Leeds and Sheffield at present. I do know they can't work with 170s or 195s, but I'm unsure what else is in the area regularly just now.

I believe the 144s at Keighley are in the Worth Valley platforms and up the branch beyond.

 

[Gregegr]

Had the day off work yesterday to bash the Hope Valley Line , but message on Facebook suggested the 142 had come off that route the night before
Quite correct - great disappointment
Managed 142078 on the Victoria to Kirby and 142065 from Picadilly to Marple Rose Hill - nil else seen