Northern Class 195: Construction/Introduction Updates

[Llama]

The only express service I can think you mean is the semi fast Liverpool-Manchester Airport via Warrington Central service, which already uses them. It was one of the first routes to use 195s from 1st July and should be diagrammed for full 195 operation from 12th August.

Note that 'diagrammed' doesn't mean 'guaranteed', especially on Northern.

 

[Furton]

The only express service I can think you mean is the semi fast Liverpool-Manchester Airport via Warrington Central service, which already uses them. It was one of the first routes to use 195s from 1st July and should be diagrammed for full 195 operation from 12th August.

Note that 'diagrammed' doesn't mean 'guaranteed', especially on Northern.

Selfishly I'm referring to the 7:09 from Lime St to Oxford Road, this one actually terminates at Oxford Road, which seems to be the only express services which doesn't carry on to the airport. At the moment it seems to be diagrammed by 150's which is a huge step down from the 185's which used to operate that time slot.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I think discussion has already surfaced on the Class 195/0 (two car) units which mentioned the lack of a through passageway for the rail staff to use on ticket check/sales duties when who such sets ran as a four car train and since then, I have seen numerous examples of two conjoined Class 142 units as a four car train with no such connection.

 

[Tim_UK]

Was it in platform 8 or in the sidings behind? A pair of 195s have been based there for a few weeks for training. I note this evening that at some point 195111 has replaced 110, with 105 still being the other.

As the training circuit is via the Calder Valley, use of platform 8 (which can only be accessed from the West) would seem unlikely.

I could have been mistaken. Could have been in the siding.

I'm pretty sure the engines were running though.

There have been runs from Preston than come in via Stalybridge and Marsden, go through platform 8 and shunt back into the sidings. But none in realtimetrains on friday. So I probably was mistaken.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Can someone correct me if I am mistaken, but there has been mention made about Huddersfield in relation to the Calder Valley line, but I have always thought that it was Hebden Bridge that was on the LYR Calder Valley line, not Huddersfield.

 

[Bantamzen]

Can someone correct me if I am mistaken, but there has been mention made about Huddersfield in relation to the Calder Valley line, but I have always thought that it was Hebden Bridge that was on the LYR Calder Valley line, not Huddersfield.

If I were to hazard a guess, Northern might be using Huddersfield to stable the training units because of lack of capacity out of Leeds? So instructors / drivers would be learning the new units by running out of Huddersfield, to the Calder Valley & back.

 

[Mathew S]

How long have you been on board? A/C set to the 'correct' temperature will still seem too warm to begin with if you board on a hot day and only make you feel cool after 20-30 mins onboard. If you set it to be any more fierce than that, on long journeys you would freeze.

My standard journey is Aiport to Wigan, which is 50 minutes; and Barrow to Wigan, which is longer. The latter was on a warm but by no means unusually hot day, and the unit remained on the warm side for the entire journey.

There’s always a debate about wether it’s too hot or cold in the lab from my work colleagues. The AC engineers say you can only ever set a desirable temperature for 70% of users. 30% will always say it’s too hot or too cold. I’ve never researched this but after 25 years I can attest to the fact that there’s always a few staff members that are permanently cold and won’t be truly happy unless the air temp is 25°C. Conversely there’s always a Few people that prefer 18°C. I fall into the 18°C club... The thermostat is set to 21°C 24/7 365.

This is probably fair (my personal preference is 17°C, so I know I prefer the cooler option) however, as others have said, too cold and you can stick an extra layer on, to hot and you're just going to have to suffer for the entire journey.

I think my issue with it is that the system doesn't seem effective enough to actually cool the train. I've no doubt it blows out air at the temperature it's been set to, I just don't think it's a powerful enough system for the size of space it's supposed to be cooling.

 

[The Snap]

I'm going on a jolly to Cyprus on Thurs 15th August and getting the train from Picc to the Airport. Can anyone advise whether there are any Class 195 services booked on that route on that day? And if so, what times do they depart Picc? Would be good to get on one if possible!

Thanks in advance!

 

[Llama]

All the trains from Lime Street via Warrington Central to Manchester Airport are expected to be booked 195s by then.

 

[Deerfold]

Can someone correct me if I am mistaken, but there has been mention made about Huddersfield in relation to the Calder Valley line, but I have always thought that it was Hebden Bridge that was on the LYR Calder Valley line, not Huddersfield.

Traditionally the Calder Valley line was Leeds - Bradford - Halifax - Hebden Bridge - Manchester / Blackpool.

However the Metro Calder Valley timetable included the services introduced via Brighouse so Leeds - Halifax - Huddersfield and Leeds - Dewsbury - Hebden Bridge - Manchester.

The trains used in training along the main Calder Valley line are stabling at Huddersfield.

 

[scrapy]

My standard journey is Aiport to Wigan, which is 50 minutes; and Barrow to Wigan, which is longer. The latter was on a warm but by no means unusually hot day, and the unit remained on the warm side for the entire journey.


This is probably fair (my personal preference is 17°C, so I know I prefer the cooler option) however, as others have said, too cold and you can stick an extra layer on, to hot and you're just going to have to suffer for the entire journey.

I think my issue with it is that the system doesn't seem effective enough to actually cool the train. I've no doubt it blows out air at the temperature it's been set to, I just don't think it's a powerful enough system for the size of space it's supposed to be cooling.

I've noticed that the centre section of the carriages on a 195 seems noticeably cooler than the ends as you can feel the air con. The ends of the carriages especially near the cabs have little air flow.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Can someone correct me if I am mistaken, but there has been mention made about Huddersfield in relation to the Calder Valley line, but I have always thought that it was Hebden Bridge that was on the LYR Calder Valley line, not Huddersfield.

Traditionally the Calder Valley line was Leeds - Bradford - Halifax - Hebden Bridge - Manchester / Blackpool.

However the Metro Calder Valley timetable included the services introduced via Brighouse so Leeds - Halifax - Huddersfield and Leeds - Dewsbury - Hebden Bridge - Manchester.

The trains used in training along the main Calder Valley line are stabling at Huddersfield.

Traditionally the Lancashire and Yorkshire railway Calder Valley route was Manchester Victoria - Rochdale - Tod - Hebden - Brighouse - Mirfield - Wakefield Kirkgate - Normanton - Leeds, rather than via Halifax and Bradford. Though in modern times the Bradford Interchange route bore that name.

With the reopening of Brighouse to regular services this blurred the lines between what WYPTE marketed as the Caldervale and Huddersfield lines respectively. For the last few years the individual route names have been largely dropped in PTE timetables and maps.

The 195s training runs based from Huddersfield access the Calder Valley route via the Bradley chord (reopened in 2000, though it was disused rather than officially closed) onto the L&Y route.

 

[Deerfold]

Traditionally the Lancashire and Yorkshire railway Calder Valley route was Manchester Victoria - Rochdale - Tod - Hebden - Brighouse - Mirfield - Wakefield Kirkgate - Normanton - Leeds, rather than via Halifax and Bradford. Though in modern times the Bradford Interchange route bore that name.

With the reopening of Brighouse to regular services this blurred the lines between what WYPTE marketed as the Caldervale and Huddersfield lines respectively. For the last few years the individual route names have been largely dropped in PTE timetables and maps.

My tradition didn't go back as far as yours - presumably the route via Bradford grabbed the name when regular passenger services stopped passing through Brighouse. I used the route regularly from 1986 to 2001.

The names have largely been dropped as there are no PTE timetables and Northern (in particular) has chosen to divide routes differently (including not producing any timetables that contain all of Leeds - Halifax services). The Caldervale timetables contained all services passing though Hebden Bridge, the Huddersfield ones only contained limited details of services from Leeds to Brighouse (and then the Manchester terminus time).

 

[The Snap]

All the trains from Lime Street via Warrington Central to Manchester Airport are expected to be booked 195s by then.

Ok thanks a lot

 

[Harvey B]

Traditionally the Lancashire and Yorkshire railway Calder Valley route was Manchester Victoria - Rochdale - Tod - Hebden - Brighouse - Mirfield - Wakefield Kirkgate - Normanton - Leeds, rather than via Halifax and Bradford. Though in modern times the Bradford Interchange route bore that name.

With the reopening of Brighouse to regular services this blurred the lines between what WYPTE marketed as the Caldervale and Huddersfield lines respectively. For the last few years the individual route names have been largely dropped in PTE timetables and maps.

The 195s training runs based from Huddersfield access the Calder Valley route via the Bradley chord (reopened in 2000, though it was disused rather than officially closed) onto the L&Y route.

What about the other part of the Calder valley line which heads off to Blackburn and Preston from hebden bridge, which the 195s will use when running York to Blackpool North services

 

[Llama]

That's the Copy Pit line, the Calder Valley line runs through Calderdale and follows the River Calder through the same valley.

 

[Mathew S]

I've noticed that the centre section of the carriages on a 195 seems noticeably cooler than the ends as you can feel the air con. The ends of the carriages especially near the cabs have little air flow.

Interesting. Thanks. Might be worth me changing where I habitually sit then.

 

[Harvey B]

That's the Copy Pit line, the Calder Valley line runs through Calderdale and follows the River Calder through the same valley.

thanks for the info

 

[Red Devil]

331 training will be stepping up markedly so I believe, very soon hopefully once Croft Street and Stockport CS are signed off. Situation seems to change every day though.

331 courses cancelled at Allerton this week. OHL isolation all week

 

[Bevan Price]

Traditionally the Lancashire and Yorkshire railway Calder Valley route was Manchester Victoria - Rochdale - Tod - Hebden - Brighouse - Mirfield - Wakefield Kirkgate - Normanton - Leeds, rather than via Halifax and Bradford. Though in modern times the Bradford Interchange route bore that name./QUOTE]

Traditionally the Lancashire and Yorkshire railway Calder Valley route was Manchester Victoria - Rochdale - Tod - Hebden - Brighouse - Mirfield - Wakefield Kirkgate - Normanton - Leeds, rather than via Halifax and Bradford. Though in modern times the Bradford Interchange route bore that name.

With the reopening of Brighouse to regular services this blurred the lines between what WYPTE marketed as the Caldervale and Huddersfield lines respectively. For the last few years the individual route names have been largely dropped in PTE timetables and maps.

The 195s training runs based from Huddersfield access the Calder Valley route via the Bradley chord (reopened in 2000, though it was disused rather than officially closed) onto the L&Y route.

Sorry, but the traditional routes were Manchester Victoria - Hebden Bridge - Wakefield Kirkgate - Normanton - York (not Leeds), plus
Manchester Victoria - Halifax - Low Moor (where steam trains portions often split or joined) - Bradford Exchange & Leeds Central. After dieselisation, trains to Leeds ran via Bradford (with some continuing beyond the Calder Valley line to Harrogate. )

 

[EE Andy b1]

I can understand the amount of Class 195s at Edge Hill being put together and static tested and fault finding but why are there so many on Allerton seemingly doing nothing? and 331s.
We know they've got there faults but surely more should be out and about by now, perhaps doubled up, if needed or not to get the mileage in.

 

[86247]

when I went pass this morning I couldn't see any 195s on edge hill just 331s then this afternoon their was 195123 and 195109 same on allerton no 195s and just 1 331 on there

 

[Bovverboy]

I'm going on a jolly to Cyprus on Thurs 15th August and getting the train from Picc to the Airport. Can anyone advise whether there are any Class 195 services booked on that route on that day? And if so, what times do they depart Picc? Would be good to get on one if possible!

All the trains from Lime Street via Warrington Central to Manchester Airport are expected to be booked 195s by then.

Almost all the Barrow/Windermere - Manchester Airport should be diagrammed for 195s by that time, too - the majority already are. I'm afraid that the ex-Liverpool trains and the ex-Barrow/Windermere aren't evenly spaced, the ex-Barrow/Windermere are generally xx.00 from Piccadilly, the ex-Liverpool generally xx.13.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Sorry, but the traditional routes were Manchester Victoria - Hebden Bridge - Wakefield Kirkgate - Normanton - York (not Leeds), plus
Manchester Victoria - Halifax - Low Moor (where steam trains portions often split or joined) - Bradford Exchange & Leeds Central. After dieselisation, trains to Leeds ran via Bradford (with some continuing beyond the Calder Valley line to Harrogate. )

Trust me, had I known there was an opportunity to diminish the importance of a certain West Riding city, I'd have taken it!

Local rivalries aside, I appreciate the correction... every day's a schoolday!

 

[childwallblues]

Was it in platform 8 or in the sidings behind? A pair of 195s have been based there for a few weeks for training. I note this evening that at some point 195111 has replaced 110, with 105 still being the other.

As the training circuit is via the Calder Valley, use of platform 8 (which can only be accessed from the West) would seem unlikely.

Are you sure it was 111? It has been one of the depot trainers (with 124) at Allerton and has been reported out this week.

 

[A7rud]

Are you sure it was 111? It has been one of the depot trainers (with 124) at Allerton and has been reported out this week.

105 and 111 were at Huddersfield on Thursday.

 

[palmersears]

195008 in the process of arriving at Edge Hill. Just the fourth two-car unit to arrive, by my reckoning.

 

[Llama]

195007 was moved from Edge Hill CS to Wigan Wallgate Up CS this lunchtime.

 

[JKF]

Just passed a driving unit and a trailer heading north over the Avonmouth Bridge on the back of Alleys wagons - presumably just come out of Portbury. Didn’t realise stuff was coming out of there by road too.

 

[Bovverboy]

Just passed a drivIng unit and a trailer heading north over the Avonmouth Bridge on the back of Alleys wagons - presumably just come out of Portbury. Didn’t realise stuff was coming out of there by road too.

All 195 carriages are powered, so by 'trailer' I presume you mean a non-driving carriage, i.e. a centre carriage from a 195/1.
How many 195/1s remain to be delivered?