Northern 195104 repair updates

[MisterSheeps]

Two months after 195104 was rerailed and moved to Ulverston sidings, it is still there (seen today)(the thread on the derailment at Grange Over Sands is locked; I would have raised this there). Are there plans to repair it?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Two months after 195104 was rerailed and moved to Ulverston sidings, it is still there (seen today)(the thread on the derailment at Grange Over Sands is locked; I would have raised this there). Are there plans to repair it?

Yes, I noticed it both yesterday and last week after returning from my other half’s in Barrow, it’s just slumped there.

 

[M60lad]

The original idea I think was for both units to be moved back in May with 195104 going by Road to CAF at Newport and 195133 heading back via Rail to Newton Heath but not to sure what the delay is in moving them.

 

[Geeves]

133 has been back at Newton Heath for a while now, just 104 still stuck up there. I am sure its just a case of waiting for the insurance side to get sorted

 

[Blindtraveler]

How badly damaged is 104

 

[MisterSheeps]

Thank you. I am surprised, as it got to Ulverston on it's wheels, why it couldn't go to Carnforth, or further. By road from Ulverston would not be easy. There looked to be some underframe damage, but it could be worse on the side away from the through lines.

 

[skyhigh]

I am surprised, as it got to Ulverston on it's wheels,

Did it, or did it get skated?

 

[1D53]

It was skated to Ulverston.

It will be going for repair straight from Ulverston so once that's organised it will move.

 

[AMD]

And for everyone, a photo of the unit sitting in the sidings in Ulverston on Friday just past.

 

[Jamesrob637]

That's one fewer 3-car which is desperately required. Any plans to get it back into traffic soon?

 

[diligentdave]

There's a lot of work been ongoing to enable it to be removed from Ulverston. Hopefully work will start 5th July to get it loaded onto trailers for road removal to a site (I'm not saying where).

 

[LowLevel]

At least it's in a nice part of the world - I remember Central Trains once left a broken dogbox 153 in Spalding sidings following what I think might have been a level crossing collision and it had to be lifted out by crane - but not before the locals had enjoyed putting the windows through etc.

 

[Foggycorner]

The Unit left by road yesterday evening

 

[AMD]

Heading down the M6 to Wolverton today - from an internal source "where the unit will have a full inspection and will start the tender process for repair". The source is internal so I can't share but a nice picture of one driving vehicle being lifted by crane over to a road vehicle.

 

[randyrippley]

As I posted in another thread, Allelys had four trucks on site Monday afternoon, along with a crane. If the unit only left yesterday it must have taken two days to load up

Remaining derailed unit from Grange over Sands about to be moved?

Went through Ulverston around 2pm today. Three carriages parked on sidings to the west of the station, separated. Two Allelys trucks and a heavy lift crane alongside though no evidence of anything happening. Judging from the frontal damage it's the lead unit from the derailment Only a guess...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[D5645]

The 3 cars from 195104 were all parked up on road transport at M1 Junction 28 when I drove past this evening.

 

[M60lad]

After the Inspection how long will the tender process take and how long will it be before 195104 returns to service? Are we looking at some time this year or will it be next year now?

I know 195133 is at Newton Heath but not to sure what's happening with it as it seems to very rarely move from its stabling point near Metrolink tracks.

 

[DanNCL]

It’s heading a bizarre route to get to Wolverton. It was seen crossing Stainmore on the A66 a couple of nights ago, presumably gone across to Scotch Corner then south on the A1. Issues on the M6 perhaps?

 

[diligentdave]

Unit was being off loaded at Wolverton this morning (Fri 12/07 as planned) then the fun begins. Inspections, invitations to bidders, process of bids, reviews and award of contracts take time (normally about a month depending on the nature of the repair). Once awarded the movement of the unit to whatever agreed site needs to happen before the repair commences. That repair can take however long depending on the availability of spares etc. to replace, which in this instance could be tricky.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

This was it as I passed around 2:30pm on Wednesday.

 

[Elecman]

It’s heading a bizarre route to get to Wolverton. It was seen crossing Stainmore on the A66 a couple of nights ago, presumably gone across to Scotch Corner then south on the A1. Issues on the M6 perhaps?

The Smart Moroway conversion works with narrow lanes for 12 miles from the M58 to the M62 junctions presumably would necessitate avoiding the M6

 

[Pinus contorta]

More places to park up perhaps? Not just the roadworks.

 

[Mollman]

After the Inspection how long will the tender process take and how long will it be before 195104 returns to service? Are we looking at some time this year or will it be next year now?

I know 195133 is at Newton Heath but not to sure what's happening with it as it seems to very rarely move from its stabling point near Metrolink tracks.

Depends how much damage but I wouldn't expect it back this year unless it is an easy job.

 

[randyrippley]

Unit was being off loaded at Wolverton this morning (Fri 12/07 as planned) then the fun begins. Inspections, invitations to bidders, process of bids, reviews and award of contracts take time (normally about a month depending on the nature of the repair). Once awarded the movement of the unit to whatever agreed site needs to happen before the repair commences. That repair can take however long depending on the availability of spares etc. to replace, which in this instance could be tricky.

Presumably only CAF have access to any bodywork or structural parts, so who else is actually qualified to bid?
And that assumes that spare composite body panels actually exist, or that the moulds were retained.

 

[Geeves]

Presumably only CAF have access to any bodywork or structural parts, so who else is actually qualified to bid?
And that assumes that spare composite body panels actually exist, or that the moulds were retained.

I don't know for sure but I was under the impression the completed body came from Spain and was then completed in Wales, so sending it to CAF in Newport probably wouldn't help. Wolverton seems to be the location of choice, with the all the tools that has rebuilt units recently from the frame up as well as modification of old units. In sure CAF staff would advise but the unit doesn't belong to them so it would be up to the Rosco where it goes.

 

[M60lad]

Considering 195s are a newish unit why would it be hard to source parts for 195104, surely considering TFW have got similar units parts shouldn't be that hard to come by.

 

[randyrippley]

Link to NW Mail page with photos of 195104 on trailers at Ulverston

Derailed and damaged train moved across the country to be repaired

A TRAIN that derailed in Grange and has sat in a yard for months has been moved across the country to be fixed.

www.nwemail.co.uk

A TRAIN that derailed in Grange has been moved across the country to be fixed.
Residents took photos of the front unit of the train being hauled out of Ulverston.
It came off the track on March 22 but was too damaged to be moved back to a depot via rail.
The unit then began its four hour journey south on the back of a lorry on July 10. Northern confirmed that it went to Gemini Rail Services in Wolverton, near Milton Keynes.
A spokesperson said: "The extent of the damage is being assessed and we will be starting talks imminently with engineering specialists who can carry out the repair work.

 

[skyhigh]

Considering 195s are a newish unit why would it be hard to source parts for 195104, surely considering TFW have got similar units parts shouldn't be that hard to come by.

If it needs major structural bits that never normally get changed or bits such as wheelsets that are already in short supply, you can easily struggle for availability.

 

[Ben Anslow]

Anyone know what’s happened with the 2 units from the derailment in march

 

[diligentdave]

Still stopped. 195104 is at Wolverton, 195133 is at Newton Heath (although it's expected to be released today 16/12).