North-South rolling stock debate

[sk688]

Here we go again trotting out a few examples of old Southern Trains despite the fact that the vast majority of trains in London and the South are better quality and newer.

1938 stock IOW.
1960 class 121 Chiltern: Randon 1 off unit that's an irrelevance
1972 stock Bakerloo line: Tube stock replacement order under consideration.
1973 stock Piccadilly Line: Tube stock replacement order under consideration.
1976 class 313 GN & Southern: Replacement order for GN313's
1970's HSTs on GWR / GN / Midland: Some of those actually go to the North! in any case GWR HST's to be replaced except some retained for use on South West local Services. EC HST's to be replaced and both North and South will benefit in that instance.

Meanwhile Northerns 1st gen Sprinter fleet is likely to be retained until at least the mid 2020's it will be interesting to whether SWT 158/9's are retained in the new SWT franchise or replaced.

The 1972 stock is being given life extension work , and will stay in service for another 15 years at least , because they are last in terms of being replaced ( so they may end up in service for 60 years , far longer than the Pacers ,which will be withdrawn after 30-35 years service )

I havent been on a Pacer , but I refuse to believe they can be any worse than the 1972 stock , which has a rough ride , it is noisy , squeals around curves , poor acceleration , poor ambiance , horrible interior condition etc .

 

[Jonny]

It's also worthy of note that one of the routes I propose as ideal for the Class 230, Bedford to Bletchley, last time I checked was located down South.

I would agree, but some Southerners would call that the Midlands

 

[47802]

The 1972 stock is being given life extension work , and will stay in service for another 15 years at least , because they are last in terms of being replaced ( so they may end up in service for 60 years , far longer than the Pacers ,which will be withdrawn after 30-35 years service )

I havent been on a Pacer , but I refuse to believe they can be any worse than the 1972 stock , which has a rough ride , it is noisy , squeals around curves , poor acceleration , poor ambiance , horrible interior condition etc .

I have been on both and probably take the 72 stock, in any case how long do you spend on the 72 stock the majority of passengers wont spend that long on them while you can experience a variety of longish journeys on a Pacer.