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I live in gateshead (right beside newcastle) and I've been taking photos for a while. I've got a lot of time on my hands this summer, so I'm hoping to visit some locations around the area and get some more pics. Two places I'm likely to visit are Tyne yard and Durham. I could be visiting Durham very soon (ie tomorrow) so does anyone know what times any freight or NR trains go through durham? Also, what are good days/ times to see freight at Tyne Yard?

Thoughts much appreciated :)
 
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Saturday isn't a great day for freight really so don't expect much. Just looking at my notes (don't hold me to it as it may have changed now) and the NMT was running, about 11:40, northbound.
 
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Just looking at my notes (don't hold me to it as it may have changed now) and the NMT was running, about 11:40, northbound.

Anyone know any other days that the NMT runs around Newacstle/Gateshead? I seem to remember seeing it one day after school at about 4-15, passing Low Fell? Hoping to catch it at Tyne Yard...
 

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IIRC, the NMT runs north up the ECML through Newcastle at about 12:15 on a Saturday, and returns south sometime on Monday.

I've always found that Tuesdays and (I think) Wednesdays are the best days for freight at Tyne Yard. The Lindsey to Jarrow oil tanks arrive in the yard at about 14:00-14:30, where it crosses the southbound Jarrow to Lindsey empty tanks which arrive at about 14:30-15:00. These trains are usually formed of 28 TEA bogie tank wagons and are class 60 hauled. The loaded tanks are then tripped to Jarrow from Tyne Yard in two fourteen wagon portions, due to a limit on the number of TEAs Jarrow oil terminal can handle at once and still allow the loco to run round.

The Redcar to Hardendale lime empties, formed of PAA and PGA cement hoppers, arrive in the yard after 15:00 and can be hauled by a 60 or a 66 depending on the loadings. In "the good old days" this train used to load to 44 wagons, but the last few years have often seen the train length substantially reduced.

The North Blyth to Tyne Yard alumina tanks from the Alcan works arrive at around 13:00, formed of 12-14 PCA four wheel tank wagons and hauled by a 66 which runs round and heads back north light engine immediately after dropping off the wagons in one of the two unelectrified staging sidings.

There are also periodic MGR coal trains, run by DB Schenker, Freightliner and GBRf. Freightliner Heavy Haul and GBRf coal trains do not stop at Tyne Yard, but just pass by on the main line. Only northbound GBRf coal trains, bound for Tyne Dock, run up the ECML and pass Tyne Yard, the southbound trains from Tyne Dock to Drax run via the Durham Coast. I don't know whether it is still the case, but there used to be a northbound Heavy Haul MGR working past Tyne Yard at about midday. The majority, but not all, of the DB Schenker MGR workings call in at Tyne Yard rather than just passing by.
 
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I've always found that Tuesdays and (I think) Wednesdays are the best days for freight at Tyne Yard. The Lindsey to Jarrow oil tanks arrive in the yard at about 14:00-14:30, where it crosses the southbound Jarrow to Lindsey empty tanks which arrive at about 14:30-15:00. These trains are usually formed of 28 TEA bogie tank wagons and are class 60 hauled.

The Redcar to Hardendale lime empties, formed of PAA and PGA cement hoppers, arrive in the yard after 15:00 and can be hauled by a 60 or a 66 depending on the loadings.

The North Blyth to Tyne Yard alumina tanks from the Alcan works arrive at around 13:00, formed of 12-14 PCA four wheel tank wagons and hauled by a 66 which runs round and heads back north light engine immediately after dropping off the wagons in one of the two unelectrified staging sidings.

There are also periodic MGR coal trains, run by DB Schenker, Freightliner and GBRf. Freightliner Heavy Haul and GBRf coal trains do not stop at Tyne Yard, but just pass by on the main line. I don't know whether it is still the case, but there used to be a northbound Heavy Haul MGR working past Tyne Yard at about midday.

Wow! :) Lot of info there. Is that all on a Tuesday?
 

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Wow! :) Lot of info there. Is that all on a Tuesday?
It's been a couple of years (Four or five, thinking about it) now since I used to have regular sojourns at Tyne Yard, but the Jarrow oils, Hardendale lime and Alcan tanks are all long established, regular flows that can generally be reliably expected to operate every day during the week. My more recent observations of these trains whenever I'm back in the north east suggest that they have continued to operate unchanged since 2006/07.

The coal traffic is more unpredictable and it is this traffic that contributes to certain days of the week being more productive for freight traffic at Tyne Yard. Tuesdays being a good bet for a decent variety of traffic.
 

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What's happening about the preserved loco running on the ABT? Haven't heard anything about this in a while.
 

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What's happening about the preserved loco running on the ABT? Haven't heard anything about this in a while.
Do you mean the Deltic; "Royal Scots Grey"? It was only working a six week contract for GBRf or something like that, and has since been replaced by other stuff now that more suitable traction is available. An 09 I believe, but I may be wrong.
 
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IIRC, the NMT runs north up the ECML through Newcastle at about 12:15 on a Saturday, and returns south sometime on Monday.

I've always found that Tuesdays and (I think) Wednesdays are the best days for freight at Tyne Yard. The Lindsey to Jarrow oil tanks arrive in the yard at about 14:00-14:30, where it crosses the southbound Jarrow to Lindsey empty tanks which arrive at about 14:30-15:00. These trains are usually formed of 28 TEA bogie tank wagons and are class 60 hauled. The loaded tanks are then tripped to Jarrow from Tyne Yard in two fourteen wagon portions, due to a limit on the number of TEAs Jarrow oil terminal can handle at once and still allow the loco to run round.

The Redcar to Hardendale lime empties, formed of PAA and PGA cement hoppers, arrive in the yard after 15:00 and can be hauled by a 60 or a 66 depending on the loadings. In "the good old days" this train used to load to 44 wagons, but the last few years have often seen the train length substantially reduced.

The North Blyth to Tyne Yard alumina tanks from the Alcan works arrive at around 13:00, formed of 12-14 PCA four wheel tank wagons and hauled by a 66 which runs round and heads back north light engine immediately after dropping off the wagons in one of the two unelectrified staging sidings.

There are also periodic MGR coal trains, run by DB Schenker, Freightliner and GBRf. Freightliner Heavy Haul and GBRf coal trains do not stop at Tyne Yard, but just pass by on the main line. Only northbound GBRf coal trains, bound for Tyne Dock, run up the ECML and pass Tyne Yard, the southbound trains from Tyne Dock to Drax run via the Durham Coast. I don't know whether it is still the case, but there used to be a northbound Heavy Haul MGR working past Tyne Yard at about midday. The majority, but not all, of the DB Schenker MGR workings call in at Tyne Yard rather than just passing by.

Thanks for all the timings :) will be using those

I've found this: http://www.freightmaster.net/demo/tables/tyneyard.htm

It's described as 'demo'.....can anyone tell me if it's actually real/ up to date?
 

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I've found this: http://www.freightmaster.net/demo/tables/tyneyard.htm

It's described as 'demo'.....can anyone tell me if it's actually real/ up to date?

No, its intended as a "demo" to give an example of what is contained in the full product and therefore is from a while back. Not all of it is out of date though.

If you are interested in more information about Freightmaster (plus rivals) and subscription to it, there are various threads on this very forum which will help.
 
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okay, that advice was really useful, managed to catch the jarrow-lindsey tanks at tyne yard and i may yet go looking for the NMT.

a couple more questions:

i fairly frequently visit newbiggin-by-the-sea to see my grandparents, and i know there's a freight line there where apperently trains occasionally run. does anyone know when?

also, i read that there used to be log trains from hexham to carlisle, loaded in sidings at hexham. i have noticed while at the station there are still a couple of sidings there. so does any freight still run from hexham?

advice much appreciated :)
 

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No freight at Hexham anymore, apart from stuff coming along the Tyne Valley. The log trains ended a while back, and before that there used to be a glue train which dropped stuff off for Egger chipboard factory. Might get lucky and see an engineers train there, but that is it.
 
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No freight at Hexham anymore, apart from stuff coming along the Tyne Valley. The log trains ended a while back, and before that there used to be a glue train which dropped stuff off for Egger chipboard factory. Might get lucky and see an engineers train there, but that is it.

oh well, :) thanks.

anyone know about newbiggin?
 

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i fairly frequently visit newbiggin-by-the-sea to see my grandparents, and i know there's a freight line there where apperently trains occasionally run. does anyone know when?

Not sure about the times, and Freightmaster will have the ones you need (have to pay for it though). There is a gen group for the NE on Yahoo that will have sightings, but apart from that you'll have to pay (or find a nice person to let you know!).
 

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Not entirely sure but if Alcan closes then just about all of that traffic will disappear.
 
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