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Newport - What a dump!

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HowardGWR

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Surely that is correct advice in accordance with the conditions of an advance ticket.

Anybody know how, seeing that the advantage of privatisation is supposed to be that the franchise service is 'entrepreneurial' they could start behaving like it? You can't blame the operational staff but there should be freedom for a conductor to phone a superior and get that changed. I hear from conductors on here that, if they did, they would get no satisfaction (in fact more likely a flea in their ear).

I suppose the poster who mentioned the issue could change that by writing the same email to the TOC management.
 
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The conductor already has the freedom to advise people to change at Cardiff instead of Newport, if they want, or at the very least to not insist that people get off at the latter. I'm sure there are those who aren't bothered either way.

Next time, I'm going to ask the guard if I can stay on and see what they say.
 

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When I used to travel from Derby to Swansea regularly, I much preferred to change at Newport.

The XC service from Nottingham would arrive Newport about xx.05 then time for a cuppa in the buffet before the FGW service from PAD arrived on the same platform at about xx.30.
Standard Class is normally at the front and I found that a substantial number of people would alight from the HST at Newport meaning that if you moved down the platform (before rebuilding) there were usually seats available.

Cardiff, particularly on Saturday afternoons was a little too chaotic!
 

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Due to time constraints when I travel to meetings in London I regularly change at Newport and don't find it too bad.
 

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Due to time constraints when I travel to meetings in London I regularly change at Newport and don't find it too bad.

I think it's probably bearable if have a cross platform change on 2 and 3. Even 4 wasn't too bad the last time I used it, though that was when the old footbridge was still being used so there was no long traipse to the end of the platform.
 

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I think it's probably bearable if have a cross platform change on 2 and 3. Even 4 wasn't too bad the last time I used it, though that was when the old footbridge was still being used so there was no long traipse to the end of the platform.

I had a change of Platform from 4 to 3 last time I was at Newport, which forced me to abandon the queue for a coffee.
 

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Is there a reason why the old footbridge has been taken out of use? Has it fallen into disrepair?
 

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My train arrived at platform 1, I jumped off and looked around for the departure screen. There isn't one! In order to see a list of services and where they will go from you have to go all the way down to the ridiculous golf ball thing at the end of the platform.

Oh, there is one on P1, as others have alluded to. It's a 14" TFT though, strapped quite high to one of the canopy posts. Depending where you're walking down the platform, it's very easy to miss. I think they've opted not to bother putting too many signs up on P1, as it doesn't seem to be used very much under normal operation. I know a few years ago a 175 was timetabled to stop on P1 for 12-15 minutes whilst overtaken by a HST, but I think even that disappeared in recent years.

2 gets used by almost all westbound trains, 3 for most eastbounds except Bristol (and beyond) which mostly seem scheduled for P4.

I then noticed that half of the platform was marked as 'No access to passengers beyond this point'. When my connection, the Carmarthen bound HST pulled in, it went a long way past the signs prohibiting passengers to use that part of the problem, but everyone just ignored it anyway. Is the sign just to deter photographers?

This annoyed me last weekend. I was forced to change at Newport as a RRB service was running from Bristol Parkway, presumably due to work in the tunnel. HSTs were running from London to Swansea via the Great Way Round (Gloucester)*, and were coming in on P1. Annoyingly, despite the fact that before the station was redone (I have similar negative opinions as others!) buses would pull up to the front, they now seem to drive straight past the front entrance, turn right at the second roundabout, then pull into the rear car park, choosing to stop about as far away from the rear entrance as they can.

Arriving on P1 (which I'd been bussed past several minutes earlier) I was one of the daft people who decided to listen to the advice on the sign (such advice doesn't appear on 2/3/4) and wait right by the edge of it. When the HST pulled in, I had to leg it down the platform to reach First Class before the guard locked the doors.

When I used to travel from Derby to Swansea regularly, I much preferred to change at Newport.

I used to be a regular Nottingham to Swansea traveller, bar a couple of years where I was doing Sheffield to Swansea.

Standard Class is normally at the front and I found that a substantial number of people would alight from the HST at Newport meaning that if you moved down the platform (before rebuilding) there were usually seats available.

Before the rebuild, Newport was great for that. However, since the rebuild, coaches B/C are right by the stairs, so despite the number of people who alight, you're immediately fighting for space/seats with lots of people who are only going to Cardiff.

That's why these days I prefer to change at Cardiff. It's ever-so-slightly less easy there - rather than being same platform, it can be a mix of 3 or 4. Though as they're on the same island, it's not really much of a hardship. At Cardiff, you still find that people tend to hover around the top of the stairs, so tend to all get on around C/D/E (/F, or whatever they all are since the relettering started). Not many people tend to wander down to the westernmost end, so all those from Newport get off, and plenty of seats to choose from in A/B.

That said, I have noticed in recent years an increase in the number of people who will walk to the appropriate ends of the platforms at Cardiff to get a seat. It's still not many on 3/4 for the HSTs, but has become very noticeable on the XC 170s on Platform 1. I (used to, when I did it more often) know exactly where to stand in relation to the 2/4 car stop to be at the very front set of doors, and would be the only person up that end. Nowadays, there's often 20 or so people hovering around that end.


* EDIT - That annoyed me a couple of months ago heading south on a XC. The two-car 170 we were on was heaving leaving Derby, crush-loaded leaving Brum. I knew that the HSTs were running via Gloucester that weekend, and knew in previous years they'd stopped them there to provide a service to the locals. However, under the current timetable they seem to be non-stop through the station - much to my annoyance as I had to stay on this 170 in some quite horrible conditions as far as Newport/Cardiff.
 
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Apparently buses are now going to the Platform 4 car-park due to traffic issues with them causing an obstruction at the front of the station...
 

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Oh, there is one on P1, as others have alluded to. It's a 14" TFT though, strapped quite high to one of the canopy posts. Depending where you're walking down the platform, it's very easy to miss. I think they've opted not to bother putting too many signs up on P1, as it doesn't seem to be used very much under normal operation. I know a few years ago a 175 was timetabled to stop on P1 for 12-15 minutes whilst overtaken by a HST, but I think even that disappeared in recent years.

The last two occasions I've taken an XC service they've been on platform 1. Last time the FGW HST also came in there, a fact I only noticed due to the platform departure indicator, due to my failure to see the station departure board itself.

2 gets used by almost all westbound trains, 3 for most eastbounds except Bristol (and beyond) which mostly seem scheduled for P4.

If I had a platfrom 2 to platform 2 change, I would probably not have started this thread!

they now seem to drive straight past the front entrance, turn right at the second roundabout, then pull into the rear car park, choosing to stop about as far away from the rear entrance as they can.

Everything about the place seems to be designed to inconvenience the passenger. Perhaps they thought we'd all be standing around so much in awe of the beauty of the design that we wouldn't care.

That's why these days I prefer to change at Cardiff. It's ever-so-slightly less easy there - rather than being same platform, it can be a mix of 3 or 4. Though as they're on the same island, it's not really much of a hardship. At Cardiff, you still find that people tend to hover around the top of the stairs, so tend to all get on around C/D/E (/F, or whatever they all are since the relettering started). Not many people tend to wander down to the westernmost end, so all those from Newport get off, and plenty of seats to choose from in A/B.

I do find Cardiff a better place to change. It may appear busier around the top of the stairs, but as you say, there's plenty of room further down usually. But what I like most is that information is clear and easy to find, and the staff are very proactive in dealing with problems and in trying to alleviate overcrowding on the 175's to west Wales.
 

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The last two occasions I've taken an XC service they've been on platform 1. Last time the FGW HST also came in there, a fact I only noticed due to the platform departure indicator, due to my failure to see the station departure board itself.

If I had a platfrom 2 to platform 2 change, I would probably not have started this thread!

I don't disbelieve you... I was merely stating my own observations :) The fact I had a HST off P1 last weekend (and hence something to moan about too!) sort of proves your point.

I can only presume something has changed in the past few months to make them start using P1 more. I've not done that much by rail in the past 3 months that's required a change either at Cardiff/Newport.
 

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I didn't think you didn't believe me! But I think I;ve been (very) unlucky with platform 1!

In fairness, one of the occasions was when the main XC services were diverted via Newport and reversed there, using p1 was sensible in those circumstances, even though by the time we got across via the ridiculous spiral staircases the train we were due to catch was about to pull away, so we only just caught it. It's not as though we were a long way up the arrival platform either!

Why they put us in p1 on that recent Sunday though, is beyond my understanding. It wasn't due to platform capacity, as 2 and 3 were being used, though they weren't exactly a hive of activity in terms of trains arriving and departing.

If I didn't know better, I'd say it was a desire to annoy passengers like me!
 

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Is there a reason why the old footbridge has been taken out of use? Has it fallen into disrepair?

Because trains in both directions stop at the West End nearer the new (horrible) bridge. A HST, however, will still stop there due to it's length.
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I read in "Rail" Magazine that the public have opted for a traditional design for the new station to be built at Kenilworth. So glad the passengers there won't have to suffer another Newport design. To design and build Newport as it is would obviously have been more costly and taken longer to build.
 

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I read in "Rail" Magazine that the public have opted for a traditional design for the new station to be built at Kenilworth. So glad the passengers there won't have to suffer another Newport design. To design and build Newport as it is would obviously have been more costly and taken longer to build.

That's good news. I hope the disaster that is Newport station will never be repeated!
 

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Perhaps in twenty years' time we'll be on here discussing the demolition of the "dated and unsuitable" Newport station footbridge, and it's replacement by something more in keeping with the rest of the station architecture?

And no doubt someone will be trying to get it listed Grade 2, just like the "lovely" signal box at Birmingham New Street.......
 

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If Swansea is anything to go by, 25 years sounds about the right sort of time that a rebuilding will next take place.
 

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You could extend the station West such that the new footbridge is nearer the middle of the station building.
 

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Now there's a solution, at least to the issue of where the footbridge is now, but it won't do much to improve the horrible look of the buildings :D
 

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Today at Newport, the lifts between the excuse for a footbridge and platforms 2 and 3 are out of order. All Eastbound trains using Platform 4 and Westbound Platform 1. Good thinking. The Platforms (not normally) are being staffed. I have noted this on a previous occasion.
 

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The same was happening yesterday afternoon, although I didn't realise that was the reason. I did think it a little odd that my 170 came into P1, and so did the Swansea HST.

The station staff were obviously having to fight with the PIS to ensure westbound services were marked as arriving on P1; there were constant announcements regarding a change of platform from 2 to 1, despite nobody being on there!
 

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The same was happening yesterday afternoon, although I didn't realise that was the reason. I did think it a little odd that my 170 came into P1, and so did the Swansea HST.

The station staff were obviously having to fight with the PIS to ensure westbound services were marked as arriving on P1; there were constant announcements regarding a change of platform from 2 to 1, despite nobody being on there!

Announcements automatically triggered, computer technology has no flexibility.
 

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I don't suppose the marooned buffet at the east end of the middle platforms did much business.
 

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I don't suppose the marooned buffet at the east end of the middle platforms did much business.

It's still open, but probably not.

The W H Smiths kiosk on P2 / P3 has bene opening early (6.00am) for the past couple of weeks at least. Every day this week it's been closed when I've travelled at around 6.30am.

The lifts were still barriered off this morning, but there are no notices in either concourse to say what is happening.
 

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It's still open, but probably not.

The W H Smiths kiosk on P2 / P3 has bene opening early (6.00am) for the past couple of weeks at least. Every day this week it's been closed when I've travelled at around 6.30am.

The lifts were still barriered off this morning, but there are no notices in either concourse to say what is happening.

As, I think, trains were using 1 and 4 (ATW Journey Check), there wouldn't have been any passengers on the platform.
 
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