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MrDumbOfAll

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I got openBVE and now there's not even a single train because they're all old and no longer exist I like really needed a 350 but after trying to find a website the url breaks because it won't either have domains or cannot find owner
 
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Open BVE is, effectively, dead. There are few people, possibly no one, actively developing and publishing for it now; and the majority of the servers hosting content have disappeared.

I await the howl of rage from someone who is bucking the trend but there's certainly no longer a large, vibrant community.
 

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Wow, BVE, that's a blast from the past! My favourite route was the parody of the Cross-City line, which included stations such as Selly Pine and Bournebrook.
 

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Wow, BVE, that's a blast from the past! My favourite route was the parody of the Cross-City line, which included stations such as Selly Pine and Bournebrook.
I've got cross city south as my starter route not sure about if there's another cross city since I don't recognise sellypine nd bournebrook and also that I've been living in Middlesbrough for 10 years I didn't really go discovering new places till I moved
 

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Whenever I download the 5 files I am not sure where to place them in C:/Users/User/AppData/Roaming/OpenBVE/LegacyContent/Railway (no objects folder in any wo when I make a folder in route it doesn't work either
My folders look like this within the legacy content folder:-
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Did you name the file "Object" or "Objects" - that may be the issue?
 

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BVE Used to be great 15 years ago, sadly the community imploded on multiple occasions and it never really recovered.
 

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My first encounter with OpenBVE was when I was dabbling with Linux a good few years ago. There was one route and one train, if I remember correctly - it was the Cross City line with the class 323 being the default train. All the necessary files were installed by installing one single package and it all worked quite well.

It was only when I started looking for other routes and trains that problems began.

When I tried to install it on Windows things became a little more tricky. You needed to have certain things downloaded from various sites and, if I remember correctly, some systems such as AWS (automatic warning system) and TPWS (train protection and warning system) didn't always work. Such issues could usually fixed by manually editing the configuration files but it was a bit of a faff.

At one point there was an installer program that made life slightly easier but it wasn't perfect. It's all well and good if you don't mind tinkering to get things working but if you just want to drive trains it was a pain in the backside. I eventually managed to set things up quite well using Windows XP running in a virtual machine but then the hard drive on that laptop died!

I seem to recall someone called "Michelle" taking charge at one point, but I suspect that they eventually became fed up with the criticism and packed it in.

It's a pity that developement seems to have stopped. The Network West Midlands routes were great and I had hours of fun but once I could afford to buy a machine that ran it, I switched to Train Simulator and forgot about Open BVE.
 
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Re-visited BVE 2 content recently by downloading content old websites from archive.org, though had to use OpenBVE as BVE 2 program does not work with Windows 10 I believe.

I remember driving them 20 years ago. Driven some LU Lines and Sandymill Routes, before something even better came along indeed.

Also driven Birmingham Cross-City South, that was a very superior route at the time comparing to other BVE Routes.
 

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Wow, BVE, that's a blast from the past! My favourite route was the parody of the Cross-City line, which included stations such as Selly Pine and Bournebrook.
That was the Hammerwich to Wood Green route. Other Cross City line inspired station names along the way included Arleschurch, Westfield and Four Ways. There were other tweaked West Midlands-based station names too, including Bleakdown and Cragley Heath.

The Hammerwich to Wood Green route was quite an early UK route, and came well before the later (and much more detailed as a result) Network West Midlands (NWM) suite of routes. But the route's first station of Hammerwich was also the last station on the later NWM package, creating a much longer route between the two, albeit unable to drive the two routes in one go.

I remember the BVE community during the mid-2000s, when I'd say it was probably at it's peak and most enjoyable during the transition from BVE2 to BVE4, with a community constantly releasing new things and the existence of the very extensive BVE Trains website. It's a shame that has more-or-less all gone as, while it obviously lacks some of the 'fun' aspect you have from things like Train Simulator Classic and earlier Microsoft Train Simulator (which offer the ability to do shunting, change points, drive routes in both directions and modern things like GSM-R radio inputs etc), from a purely driving point of view I think it's still right up there on the home simulator rankings in my experience.
 
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I'm guessing a slow computer is the reason the OP isn't using dovetail games train Sim world? Although it has it's occasional flaws, I've found TSW to be fantastic simulator

I used Bve a couple times but having used the former first I couldn't get into it.
 

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Open BVE is, effectively, dead. There are few people, possibly no one, actively developing and publishing for it now; and the majority of the servers hosting content have disappeared.

I await the howl of rage from someone who is bucking the trend but there's certainly no longer a large, vibrant community.
BVE Used to be great 15 years ago, sadly the community imploded on multiple occasions and it never really recovered.
It's a pity that developement seems to have stopped. The Network West Midlands routes were great and I had hours of fun but once I could afford to buy a machine that ran it, I switched to Train Simulator and forgot about Open BVE.
Unfortunately, this is where the problem lies. The install base for BVE was mostly people who couldn't afford MSTS back in the day or, in the later times, a computer than can run one of the newer sims. This was already a niche back then, let alone in this day and age. Nowadays, most of us have long moved on to more superior Train Simulators like Trainz, RailWorks (now Train Sim Classic) and TSW once we gained the ability to pay for stuff. I personally have little reason to go back to OpenBVE now that I have hundreds of pounds' worth of TSC content. These payware sims (especially MSTS and TSC) obviously have way more features plus more established communities, allowing extensive libraries of content to grow. Add to this the notorious lack of proper route-building tools for OpenBVE, meaning you had to code it all by hand on Notepad or Excel. There was a RouteBuilder for BVE 2 and 4, but that was very fiddly to use, super outdated and probably lost in oblivion by now; besides, the routes produced on it are incompatible with OpenBVE anyway. No newer version was ever made since. Compare this to the far more intuitive route-building tools available in Trainz and TSC. Thus, there is just a lack of incentive to develop anything for BVE these days, especially coupled with the inherent issue of freeware development where real life always gets in the way, so investing time into a project you won't get compensated for is already low on the priority list.
Re-visited BVE 2 content recently by downloading content old websites from archive.org, though had to use OpenBVE as BVE 2 program does not work with Windows 10 I believe.
Yeah, BVE 2 (and 4) is not even supported on Vista (as mentioned on the website itself back in the day), let alone 7 or later. Best Windows that can run it is XP.
Wow, BVE, that's a blast from the past! My favourite route was the parody of the Cross-City line, which included stations such as Selly Pine and Bournebrook.
That was the Hammerwich to Wood Green route. Other Cross City line inspired station names along the way included Arleschurch, Westfield and Four Ways. There were other tweaked West Midlands-based station names too, including Bleakdown and Cragley Heath.

The Hammerwich to Wood Green route was quite an early UK route, and came well before the later (and much more detailed as a result) Network West Midlands (NWM) suite of routes. But the route's first station of Hammerwich was also the last station on the later NWM package, creating a much longer route between the two, albeit unable to drive the two routes in one go.
I used to play that route to death on BVE 2 back in the day and try out different rolling stock on it. I only realised the names were blatant parodies of actual West Midlands stations when I knew about its real life counterpart. The newer NWM (made for BVE 4 and later OpenBVE), on the other hand, was definitely the best thing ever made for OpenBVE that actually made it to release. It had the most extensive network, best variety of rolling stock and scenarios, and in the latest version, makes the best use of OpenBVE's features over older iterations of BVE.

Watford Junction to Rugby would have been far better based on pictures, which actually could give TSC (then RailWorks) a run for its money, if it ever got released. Sadly, that route has been in 'development hell' for over 20 years (its predecessor WJ-MKC for BVE 2 was released 25 years ago), naturally due to all the issues I mentioned above. Its developer Anthony Bowden, who was one of the best contributors in the BVE community (he gave us the amazing Cross City South route), eventually got very busy with his career on the real railways and since 2010, his activity within the community reduced to the occasional blog post every 4-5 years, once in 2014 then again in 2019, which is the last we ever hear from him to this day. He did mention his focus in his last blog posts was to finally get WJ-Rugby released (he seemed very close at the time), but I presume real life got in the way again, as it's been 6 years and we're yet to hear from him again. As sad as this may be, I totally understand his situation and can relate much better now, as I have many ambitious route-building projects left unfinished myself on Train Sim Classic ever since I was able to develop and release a full fictional route in a few months during lockdown. However, shortly after I started my PhD studies, got married and later had two kids, so I haven't touched Train Sim in years because of all this.

Perhaps the OpenBVE community would make a comeback if WFJ-Rugby finally sees the light of release; I would certainly get back into it if or when that happens. I doubt there is much incentive nowadays, since we have more complete versions of the WCML on Train Sim Classic, which has the full London Euston to Birmingham New Street, and even Train Sim World with a shorter Euston to MKC. However, it was very close to completion last time I heard about it, so I don't think Anthony would let years of work go to waste whenever he finally gets the time to revisit it (again); never say never!
 
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Unfortunately, this is where the problem lies. The install base for BVE was mostly people who couldn't afford MSTS back in the day or, in the later times, a computer than can run one of the newer sims. This was already a niche back then, let alone in this day and age. Nowadays, most of us have long moved on to more superior Train Simulators like Trainz, RailWorks (now Train Sim Classic) and TSW once we gained the ability to pay for stuff. I personally have little reason to go back to OpenBVE now that I have hundreds of pounds' worth of TSC content. These payware sims (especially MSTS and TSC) obviously have way more features plus more established communities, allowing extensive libraries of content to grow. Add to this the notorious lack of proper route-building tools for OpenBVE, meaning you had to code it all by hand on Notepad or Excel. There was a RouteBuilder for BVE 2 and 4, but that was very fiddly to use, super outdated and probably lost in oblivion by now; besides, the routes produced on it are incompatible with OpenBVE anyway. No newer version was ever made since. Compare this to the far more intuitive route-building tools available in Trainz and TSC. Thus, there is just a lack of incentive to develop anything for BVE these days, especially coupled with the inherent issue of freeware development where real life always gets in the way, so investing time into a project you won't get compensated for is already low on the priority list.

Yeah, BVE 2 (and 4) is not even supported on Vista (as mentioned on the website itself back in the day), let alone 7 or later. Best Windows that can run it is XP.


I used to play that route to death on BVE 2 back in the day and try out different rolling stock on it. I only realised the names were blatant parodies of actual West Midlands stations when I knew about its real life counterpart. The newer NWM (made for BVE 4 and later OpenBVE), on the other hand, was definitely the best thing ever made for OpenBVE that actually made it to release. It had the most extensive network, best variety of rolling stock and scenarios, and in the latest version, makes the best use of OpenBVE's features over older iterations of BVE.

Watford Junction to Rugby would have been far better based on pictures, which actually could give TSC (then RailWorks) a run for its money, if it ever got released. Sadly, that route has been in 'development hell' for over 20 years (its predecessor WJ-MKC for BVE 2 was released 25 years ago), naturally due to all the issues I mentioned above. Its developer Anthony Bowden, who was one of the best contributors in the BVE community (he gave us the amazing Cross City South route), eventually got very busy with his career on the real railways and since 2010, his activity within the community reduced to the occasional blog post every 4-5 years, once in 2014 then again in 2019, which is the last we ever hear from him to this day. He did mention his focus in his last blog posts was to finally get WJ-Rugby released (he seemed very close at the time), but I presume real life got in the way again, as it's been 6 years and we're yet to hear from him again. As sad as this may be, I totally understand his situation and can relate much better now, as I have many ambitious route-building projects left unfinished myself on Train Sim Classic ever since I was able to develop and release a full fictional route in a few months during lockdown. However, shortly after I started my PhD studies, got married and later had two kids, so I haven't touched Train Sim in years because of all this.

Perhaps the OpenBVE community would make a comeback if WFJ-Rugby finally sees the light of release; I would certainly get back into it if or when that happens. I doubt there is much incentive nowadays, since we have more complete versions of the WCML on Train Sim Classic, which has the full London Euston to Birmingham New Street, and even Train Sim World with a shorter Euston to MKC. However, it was very close to completion last time I heard about it, so I don't think Anthony would let years of work go to waste whenever he finally gets the time to revisit it (again); never say never!

The Watford-Rugby route has been in development for almost 20 years, I wouldn't hold out much hope on it being released.

My personal feeling is that actually being free and open source has resulted in BVE dying, there is no meaningful central control over it and with no one making any money out of developing, there is no incentive to continue when thing go through a rocky patch.
 

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I got openBVE and now there's not even a single train because they're all old and no longer exist I like really needed a 350 but after trying to find a website the url breaks because it won't either have domains or cannot find owner
The Class 350 (Along with 444 and 450 by same author) is build by Alan Wheeler and sadly he passed away couple years ago :(

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Open BVE is, effectively, dead. There are few people, possibly no one, actively developing and publishing for it now; and the majority of the servers hosting content have disappeared.

I await the howl of rage from someone who is bucking the trend but there's certainly no longer a large, vibrant community.
The development is mostly based in Asia now- Hong Kong still have groups working on Tuen Ma line, in Japan is about from Tokyo to Sendai (Shinkansen) and standalone trains are build in Indonesian Circles.
In Britain there was Airedale and Wharfedale project couple years ago but now is halted.
 
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I remember BVE! I had London Underground routes, of which some of the rolling stock are still active. The ‘72’s, ‘73’s, ‘92’s, 95’s, 96’s.
 

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I remember BVE! I had London Underground routes, of which some of the rolling stock are still active. The ‘72’s, ‘73’s, ‘92’s, 95’s, 96’s.
I remember the Epping Ongar Tube line and another is Queen's Park one but they are very old bve2 routes.
 

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BVE was my mainstay simulator for many years. I'm still really partial towards it because of its ease of accessibility and no cost, and especially its ability to mod and create for it very easily, where the only barrier is learning the coding languages and doing calculations right for object placements and modelling. I've always been particularly interested in tube routes and I remember particularly waiting for the BVE4 Jubilee Line route to Bermondsey coming out. I thought it was one of the most realistic things I had ever seen.

BVE Western Region put out some very good stuff and despite their website closing a couple of years ago, with an update for their Central Line route just a few months before the site shuttered, I remain unconvinced that they are gone for good and their farewell message suggests to me they might still be plugging away at things behind the scenes.

My interest in a niche of a niche of a niche does not bode particularly well, particularly given the poor reaction to the Bakerloo Line for TSW which I adored. I never was able to get to grips with coding and whatever in my time before life got ahead of me but I hope one day when I have free time I could finally get to grips and throw something together.


Great to see from you, these are wonderful models, and really particularly fantastic stuff given my interests on that C Stock!
 

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BVE was my mainstay simulator for many years. I'm still really partial towards it because of its ease of accessibility and no cost, and especially its ability to mod and create for it very easily, where the only barrier is learning the coding languages and doing calculations right for object placements and modelling. I've always been particularly interested in tube routes and I remember particularly waiting for the BVE4 Jubilee Line route to Bermondsey coming out. I thought it was one of the most realistic things I had ever seen.

BVE Western Region put out some very good stuff and despite their website closing a couple of years ago, with an update for their Central Line route just a few months before the site shuttered, I remain unconvinced that they are gone for good and their farewell message suggests to me they might still be plugging away at things behind the scenes.

My interest in a niche of a niche of a niche does not bode particularly well, particularly given the poor reaction to the Bakerloo Line for TSW which I adored. I never was able to get to grips with coding and whatever in my time before life got ahead of me but I hope one day when I have free time I could finally get to grips and throw something together.



Great to see from you, these are wonderful models, and really particularly fantastic stuff given my interests on that C Stock!
Bve are relatively resource lite game compared to other train sims. Sadly the dev is mostly quiet nowadays. I remember the bve4trains site but now its gone.
 

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That was the Hammerwich to Wood Green route. Other Cross City line inspired station names along the way included Arleschurch, Westfield and Four Ways. There were other tweaked West Midlands-based station names too, including Bleakdown and Cragley Heath.

The Hammerwich to Wood Green route was quite an early UK route, and came well before the later (and much more detailed as a result) Network West Midlands (NWM) suite of routes. But the route's first station of Hammerwich was also the last station on the later NWM package, creating a much longer route between the two, albeit unable to drive the two routes in one go.

I remember the BVE community during the mid-2000s, when I'd say it was probably at it's peak and most enjoyable during the transition from BVE2 to BVE4, with a community constantly releasing new things and the existence of the very extensive BVE Trains website. It's a shame that has more-or-less all gone as, while it obviously lacks some of the 'fun' aspect you have from things like Train Simulator Classic and earlier Microsoft Train Simulator (which offer the ability to do shunting, change points, drive routes in both directions and modern things like GSM-R radio inputs etc), from a purely driving point of view I think it's still right up there on the home simulator rankings in my experience.
Ive only just came to look around now and noticing fake stations seems like i want to see it
 

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