New Thameslink journey time improvements?

[Steveo77]

with the new Thameslink trains/service being rolled out over the next few years I just wondered if journey times will improve or not?

it looks as though there will be more frequent trains but what I can't seem to see is whether they will be any quicker or not?

anyone have any ideas?

 

[Bald Rick]

Brighton Main Line will see some improvement, through changed stopping patterns.

Wimbledon loop and Catford loop might see some acceleration through improved acceleration / braking, although the timings on the Wimbledon loop are fixed by crossing Herne hill which is unlikely to change.

 

[Minstral25]

Good question - surely the journey time from East Croydon to West Hampstead through the core for example will be faster than before the blockade at London Bridge with ATO, new powerful trains and better infrastructure? Seems a bit of waste if there will be no improvement.

 

[W230]

Good question - surely the journey time from East Croydon to West Hampstead through the core for example will be faster than before the blockade at London Bridge with ATO, new powerful trains and better infrastructure? Seems a bit of waste if there will be no improvement.

But the linespeeds will be the same! The new trains won't make it noticeably quicker, you may just find that there will be less padding in the timetable to make up for the improved routeing (particularly London Bridge area).

So basically I don't think you will notice any difference, unless padding is removed through the core. And I think that unlikely. Thameslink 2000 is all about capacity rather than journey time improvements. At least I thought it was...

 

[Aictos]

Brighton Main Line will see some improvement, through changed stopping patterns.

Wimbledon loop and Catford loop might see some acceleration through improved acceleration / braking, although the timings on the Wimbledon loop are fixed by crossing Herne hill which is unlikely to change.

Regards to the BML, when the timetable gets done will it be obvious changes seen or subtle changes likely to be done?

As to Herne Hill, there's nothing that can be done there right? Not even a flyover?

 

[Bald Rick]

Regards to the BML, when the timetable gets done will it be obvious changes seen or subtle changes likely to be done?

As to Herne Hill, there's nothing that can be done there right? Not even a flyover?

It will be very obvious, and most of it happens in December this year.

Herne Hill, you could build a flyover, or dive under, but if would be very, very expensive as lots of property would have to make way.

 

[TimG]

It will be very obvious, and most of it happens in December this year.

has anything been published on this?

 

[LBSCR Times]

has anything been published on this?

Gone out to consultation, via the Southern website, but only general principles.

 

[JonathanH]

Gone out to consultation, via the Southern website, but only general principles.

The suggestion was made that the December 2015 timetable south of East Croydon in the consultation is basically the December 2018 plan. This means it is important to comment now and not wait for 2018.

 

[TimG]

Gone out to consultation, via the Southern website, but only general principles.

Thanks.