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New Parcels Business from Amazon?

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It's not Royal Mail's fault that you're out!!!

You have upto 18 days to arrange redelivery so that you can be in when they try to deliver.
 
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It's not Royal Mail's fault that you're out!!!

You have upto 18 days to arrange redelivery so that you can be in when they try to deliver.

Yes, but its Royal Mails fault that their delivery offices close early most days of the week making it a mission to get your parcel.

Whereas with a courier I can get my parcel delivered to me when I am in. Being so inflexible is no good in the modern day and age
 

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Interesting to know whether this is being solely aimed at commuters because they will be using the station anyway, or as a general service for all and sundry

If it is a commuter only service then it seems a fair enough idea, if it's going to be used by anyone and everyone then, as talldave asks, where on earth are people going to park ?, all the stations that I know have ridiculously inadequate parking as it is, just what's needed are people dumping their vehicles "just for a minute" while they collect their box of doddles
 

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It's not Royal Mail's fault that you're out!!!

You have upto 18 days to arrange redelivery so that you can be in when they try to deliver.

Actually, it's exactly this attitude which is driving customers elsewhere.

No, it's not the Royal Mail's fault that customers are out when they try to deliver parcels.

Yes, it is the Royal Mail's fault that they've failed to come up with an alternative to redelivery within working hours (when many are, well, at work) or picking up from an inconveniently located sorting office at inconvenient hours.

To be fair, most couriers aren't any better at delivering at a convenient time (given I'm out weekdays from 07:30-18:30 and most Saturdays), they're just more lax about leaving parcels behind the gate...

I do hope that this Doddle operation manages to be more efficient than 'Collect +', a system so unwieldy and inefficient, that it seems to take nigh on 10 minutes to get the parcel, scan it, sign stuff, argue about what ID is required, scan stuff again because it didn't quite work, try to sign something that's impossible if you're left-handed, scan it again, stare bemusedly at the machine giving an indecipherable error message, realise there's another parcel, look for it, scan it, and repeat, while you slowly absorb the evil stares from the people trying to buy fags/petrol/pornography in the queue behind you. However, I'm unsure what advantage it gives over lockers.
 
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When you say customers do you mean the recipient or the sender?

Why would the sender care whether you're in or not? Am I right in thinking that everything sent by Amazon Prime comes special delivery? For what it's worth I think that thats more inconvenient than any other means because not only does it require a signature but it can't be delivered to a neighbour either.
 

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You can say that again ;)

Our enquiry office is open from 7am-2pm and 4pm-7pm. Yours?

Here it's 7am to 1pm only, hardly ideal is it?

And that's if you haven't suffered from severe dehydration after waiting so long for someone to answer the bell. And even if they do, don't fully expect them to be able to find your parcel.
 
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It's not Royal Mail's fault that you're out!!!

You have upto 18 days to arrange redelivery so that you can be in when they try to deliver.

Nor is it the customers fault when they have to go to work, and there is now zero chance of anything being delivered before they leave home due to Royal Mail putting deliveries back to after 0900 in most cases!

This attitude is no longer good enough I'm afraid. The idea that Royal Mail is doing someone a favour by allowing redelivery for 18 days no longer stands up. Since there are no deliveries on Sundays, there are perhaps two or three days at most where the customer will not be in work during which time the item or items can be delivered. And then, the customer must wait in until the doorbell rings, being unable to pop out or do anything that risks being unable to hear the postie until then.

For many people picking up an item as they pass a railway station is likely to be more convenient than going to a delivery office. Sad, but true.

It's also sad that items won't be delivered to the station by train, but the whole system is given over to bulk freight these days, and there is unlikely to be sufficient bulk to make rail delivery economic at this time.
 

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When you say customers do you mean the recipient or the sender?

Why would the sender care whether you're in or not? Am I right in thinking that everything sent by Amazon Prime comes special delivery? For what it's worth I think that thats more inconvenient than any other means because not only does it require a signature but it can't be delivered to a neighbour either.

I mean the recipient.

The sender cares whether you're in or not because the delivery is part of the overall product they are selling - it's the nature of an online business.

Amazon use a variety of couriers, for Prime deliveries too. Most of the ones that come our way are behind-the-gate deliveries.
 

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You can say that again ;)

Our enquiry office is open from 7am-2pm and 4pm-7pm. Yours?

Being open that long is great, having the office out in the arse end of nowhere is not. The Watford one was a £20 round trip in a taxi for me or a 2 hour round trip walk. I guess the Post Office has sold the the majority of its city centre premeses, but they'd have been perfect collection points.

Love the idea of being able to pick up from my local station though. Camden Road is 30 seconds from my front door!
 
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We are lucky, our delivery office is only a five minute drive or a twenty minute walk away. But, if on foot, that means a forty five minute round trip, which can't count as that convenient compared to stopping for two or three minutes on your way through a station that you go through anyway.

In terms of opening hours I think it closes at 6 except for Thursday when it stays open a bit longer.
 

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I mean the recipient.

The sender cares whether you're in or not because the delivery is part of the overall product they are selling - it's the nature of an online business.

Amazon use a variety of couriers, for Prime deliveries too. Most of the ones that come our way are behind-the-gate deliveries.

I think they probably care about you getting the parcel as much as we care whether you're in. All we have to do is attempt delivery, I'm going back to the office so it's no skin off my nose if the parcel goes back with me too, even though I do like to clear as much as possible, especially at the start when the van is full(er).

At least we offer a decent opportunity to collect or redeliver you parcel to you house or (for a pound) to a local PO. Couriers that I've had deliveries from will try three times and then return it.
 

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I think they probably care about you getting the parcel as much as we care whether you're in. All we have to do is attempt delivery, I'm going back to the office so it's no skin off my nose if the parcel goes back with me too, even though I do like to clear as much as possible, especially at the start when the van is full(er).

The fact it's no skin off your nose is precisely why there is room for collection points at stations. The fact is that it's not convenient for most customers to wait in, go and collect undelivered items or arrange redelivery to a PO for £1. That's why picking it up, for free, form somewhere they are passing through or near to will be a winner!

At least we offer a decent opportunity to collect or redeliver you parcel to you house or (for a pound) to a local PO. Couriers that I've had deliveries from will try three times and then return it.

Royal Mail can either choose to introduce improved services or accept that there is going to be a loss of business. If were still working there, I know which I would prefer! For a start, I'd be suggesting that the callers office open at times that more people will actually be able to use it. Secondly, I'd be suggesting late afternoon and evening deliveries so as to catch more people at home...
 

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The callers office never seems to be staffed well. Our office is, I think, now a 24 hour operation so I see no reason why it can't be staffed for 24hrs. It all comes down to money and making savings and thats something that RM is very keen on.

What do you mean by improved services? It's easy to say that but not see easy to say what you actually mean.
 

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Delivering packages used to work fine when it was more common for someone to be in the house during the day. Now that is quite often not the case, daytime deliveries combined with daytime collection office opening hours simply does not work.

What do you mean by improved services? It's easy to say that but not see easy to say what you actually mean.

Errr, he did?

For a start, I'd be suggesting that the callers office open at times that more people will actually be able to use it. Secondly, I'd be suggesting late afternoon and evening deliveries so as to catch more people at home...
 
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Yes, but its Royall Mails fault that their delivery offices close early most days of the week making it a mission to get your parcel.

Yes, my local sorting office has ONE day a week (Wednesday) where it's open until 8pm. Every other day it's around midday.

So you come home, find a card, and can't go and pick it up for a couple of days or more. Great.

As said before, if your neighbours work too then you're stuffed.

Many couriers are also going to have the same problem delivering too, but some will text to ask if you're home (and to ask for a delivery at another time) while many have depots open later in the evening so you can go there. Amazon will likely alert you, so you could even go straight from work - although it depends on whether you need the card or not (some will simply ask for ID and the consignment number).

But a collection point is ideal. Whether that's your local convenience store, a locker, petrol station - or, hey, your sorting office! There's an idea. If Royal Mail wants to be able to cope with the home shopping revolution, why not open in the evening?

By all means close in the afternoon if it's dead, but open from 4.30pm until, say, 8.30pm.

Then, companies will perhaps use Royal Mail instead of other 'fly by night' delivery firms that have set up purely to take advantage of the glacial pace of Royal Mail.

When you say customers do you mean the recipient or the sender?

Why would the sender care whether you're in or not? Am I right in thinking that everything sent by Amazon Prime comes special delivery? For what it's worth I think that thats more inconvenient than any other means because not only does it require a signature but it can't be delivered to a neighbour either.

A lot more items I get don't require a signature - even from Royal Mail - yet it's still tracked. I don't know if this is how Amazon does it for everyone, or just that I'm probably a trusted customer given the length of time as a Prime user, and never having had anything go missing (i.e. making a claim).

Some carriers will ask me to take something in for a neighbour, but I know there are sometimes items marked quite clearly that they can't be delivered elsewhere. Amazon obviously decides that based on what the package contains.

Our enquiry office is open from 7am-2pm and 4pm-7pm. Yours?

Why are they different in different places? That doesn't make sense. Well, okay, it does as you might argue some are rather quiet - but it's rather like running down a bus/train service. Once it's not convenient to people, they stop using it. Improve the facilities, and people come rushing back.

It's good that my above suggestion is reality, but also rather pointless given the package that got returned isn't going to be at the one open until 7pm every day (and even 7pm might be just too late for many people).

And Amazon now deliver on Sundays too. I've had many things on a Sunday, which is possibly the most convenient day of the week. I think Amazon's next step will be to schedule deliveries, as the only way to make sure something comes on a Sunday at the moment is to complete the order on Saturday morning. I'd sooner buy something now, then set it for Sunday delivery, than wait and find the item out of stock (or forget).
 
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The one thing that Royal Mail do reasonably well is distribution of delivery offices, I remember getting a card from a courier to go to a delivery office in Heathrow - I live in Archway - the parcel I believe came from Willsden area!!

However many are closing down (South Kensington shut the other month) and others are located with poor transport links (Doncaster)!

Remember parcels is the future for them, letters as such are a dying breed as even credit card bills etc are done online now.

I noted when I was in my local post office they are diversifying into other things - they were proudly "launching" their "new" telephone service a couple of years back, because obviously nobody has ever had a telephone line from the Post Office before!
 
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Even if my local sorting office - 2 minutes away in the car - was open late in the evening and all weekend, I'd still rather pick it up at the station on the way through. Saves the hassle of making a special trip, digging out your ID, queuing for a while behind the confused old lady trying to buy a stamp.

The retailers do care about missed deliveries, as it then has to go back to depot for another try (inevitably on another van) or put on the shelf for later collection. And that costs money, as it all has to be handled (again) and tracked.

So, with sufficient volume, this looks quite attractive: the courier can make one drop at the local station for say 30 consignments, that would save (say) half a shift of van and staff time, and avoid (say) 10 failed deliveries. That saving all adds up pretty quickly. And the customer presumably prefers it!
 
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As the high streets die, and more people are shopping online - it should be a glorious time for the likes of Royal Mail.

Sure, the company has to totally reconsider the way it operates - but it's surely in the best possible position to compete.

An awful lot of the thing I receive from Amazon are small packages, so they could all be coming with Royal Mail instead of some bloke in a hired van that has taken all day to find you.

Delivering junk mail isn't a long-term solution, yet it always appears that Royal Mail is really into direct marketing - when nobody wants it, and over time the companies producing leaflets will stop doing so, as they've now moved into emailing, or using social media, to contact their customers.

Even if my local sorting office - 2 minutes away in the car - was open late in the evening and all weekend, I'd still rather pick it up at the station on the way through. Saves the hassle of making a special trip, digging out your ID, queuing for a while behind the confused old lady trying to buy a stamp.

Yes, the train station is a great idea - but obviously not everyone travels to work by train, so the Royal Mail still has a chance to compete by having its own locations open at convenient times.

And there are other things it can do, like having a way to contact customers to say a package is going to be delivered tomorrow - and giving them a chance to say 'No, I'm out - please leave it at the sorting office' - or even deliver it to the nearest post office (also open in the evening).
 
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I know it was a few years back, it sticks in my mind but we were given a "team" briefing and the top boss said that they consider themselves as a direct rival to ITV when it comes to delivering advertisments into the home.

The majority of what we handle is absolute crap. That's a travesty.

And RM won't do anything that means them spending more money in wages for people to do it!
 

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My preferred options for anything which won't fit through the letterbox are:
1. Delivery to work address - but this is not possible or practical for everyone
2. Amazon Locker in the local Co-op - I'm often in there for shopping anyway, and no risk of missing the driver
3. Royal Mail to home - the post always arrives while I'm at work except possibly on Saturday. Usually results in a long trip to the sorting office. Redelivery no good for reasons as stated above.
 

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Most of the crap I get through the letter box is delivered by individuals working for a pittance. Poorly printed leaflets for a Man with a Van, gardening services, the local takeaway and that sort of thing. At least the stuff delivered by Royal Mail, whether addressed to me by name or The Occupier looks professional. And some of it is actually of some interest.

The parcels business was on its knees and being carried by the letters business when I was a postman. Now things have reversed, but Royal Mail has not been quick enough to take advantage of the opportunities that are there and see off the ropey courier companies once and for all. (yes, Yodel, I'm talking to you!)

Deliveries should be prioritised so that business addresses receive their mail first. With large numbers of people out during the day, residential address could have their post delivered between 1600/1700 and 1900/2000. It may even be possible to mix residential deliveries with collections in some areas.

Working into the evening instead of the traditional 0500-1230 that small delivery offices opened for in my day would also allow the extension of hours for callers offices without a great increase in costs.
 

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Imagine in a few years if you want free delivery from Amazon or other internet shopping service it will be to a collection point, if you want delivery to your home it will cost you extra.

It's a good idea to have things delivered to a secure locker, be it in a railway station, petrol station or shopping centre, if it is too large to fit though a letter box, saves the hassle of collecting from the sorting office, you can collect on the way home.
 
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That may well happen, although I expect Amazon will still deliver free if you pay for Prime, which will keep getting more expensive year on year (with other stuff bundled in).

Soon you'll pay £100+ to have an account, and plenty of people seem happy to pay. Amazon said last week that most people renew.
 

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From memory, since I can't locate my Dickens Dictionary of London. Back in 1883 some parts of London had many deliveries and collections of mail. The number 12 seems to ring a bell. It was certainly far more than we've had for many a year. If they could do that in 1883, it should be possible today to achieve something more suitable. I don't mean 12 deliveries a day. No just sensible delivery times.

Of course not everyone wants to work in their evenings.

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That may well happen, although I expect Amazon will still deliver free if you pay for Prime, which will keep getting more expensive year on year (with other stuff bundled in).

Soon you'll pay £100+ to have an account, and plenty of people seem happy to pay. Amazon said last week that most people renew.

They may even change it to block free delivery to a residential address but keep first class and Prime. Sadly I can see Prime increasing further and I will have to do some maths to see if it's still valid.

Two of the problems I can see with using stations are service for those people who neither live nor commute near a station and congestion around the station combined with limited storage space at said places. But that's why we have trials and I hope it does work as it's another option on the table
 

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From memory, since I can't locate my Dickens Dictionary of London. Back in 1883 some parts of London had many deliveries and collections of mail. The number 12 seems to ring a bell. It was certainly far more than we've had for many a year. If they could do that in 1883, it should be possible today to achieve something more suitable. I don't mean 12 deliveries a day. No just sensible delivery times.

Of course not everyone wants to work in their evenings.

There used to be quite a few daily deliveries in the bigger cities, up to 2100 if I remember correctly. Mechanisation and the concentration of mail led tot he demise of that, as well as other significant factors like higher wages meaning increases in the cost of labour, just as on the railways.

Of course, not everyone wants to work in the evenings. But not everyone wants to work in the early morning either. Some like a rotation, some like permanent earlies, and some actually do choose permanent lates. All this is mirrored on the railway!

The bottom line is that any company that wants to prosper and be successful has to do what is needed. The CWU and management should be able to sort it out between them.
 

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Thought I'd give this thread an update as Doddle had their official launch at Waterloo this week

http://www.retailtimes.co.uk/new-service-doddle-launches-deliveries-returns-shop-waterloo-station/

http://www.doddle.it/locations

According to their website they have 6 locations open now, 17 more in the next two months and entering Doddle into the recruitment websites shows additional vacancies listed for:

London Paddington
Birmingham Moor Street
Liverpool Lime Street
Sevenoaks
Romford
Finsbury Park
Earlsfield
and Epsom
 

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So it's just a London thing.

The Amazon Locker in the Co-Op is fantastic given the post doesn't reach me until about 1400 ish - then it says "must wait 24 hours from the time delivery was attempted on the slip" - the delivery office is 9-5 Mon to Friday. (it only does PO-Box collections before 9am)

And RM just lost a package that I've waited in on my days off for - so I'm getting it re-sent to the locker. At least it's tracked by TNT then,
 
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