New Overground line names progress?

[stuu]

What an absolute waste of time, money and manpower this rebranding is. The names are terrible

The names are irrelevant. Doing something is definitely a good idea, as has been repeated ad nauseum in this thread

 

[renegademaster]

"the Windrush line is part suspended" announcement will be used where previously a "London Overground is part suspended"

Sounds like something that would be better fixed with a software update to the underground PAs

 

[paninaro]

As a former daily user, I don't really agree, especially with how large the new lines still are. "The Windrush line is part suspended" doesn't mean much to me either, is it the branch to Clapham then that doesn't matter to me. "The London overground is suspended between Sydenham, Crystal Palace and West Croydon " is much more useful. Not to mention the lines can be occasionally rejigged a bit during engineering work and a service can occasionally run over multiple of the newly demecrated lines.

A common complaint on this forum is the number of messages on trains these days and how passegers, even forum members, miss out on important information. As a regular user I currently need to listen to *every* announcement that begins "The London Overground...". Once the new line names are rolled out I'll only need to pay attention to the Windrush ones, 1/6 of the messages. I'll happily take that even if occasionally it means I hear that it was only the line to Clapham Junction affected.

 

[Wolfie]

A common complaint on this forum is the number of messages on trains these days and how passegers, even forum members, miss out on important information. As a regular user I currently need to listen to *every* announcement that begins "The London Overground...". Once the new line names are rolled out I'll only need to pay attention to the Windrush ones, 1/6 of the messages. I'll happily take that even if occasionally it means I hear that it was only the line to Clapham Junction affected.

Absolutely

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Sounds like something that would be better fixed with a software update to the underground PAs

See @paninaro's comment

 

[bramling]

A common complaint on this forum is the number of messages on trains these days and how passegers, even forum members, miss out on important information. As a regular user I currently need to listen to *every* announcement that begins "The London Overground...". Once the new line names are rolled out I'll only need to pay attention to the Windrush ones, 1/6 of the messages. I'll happily take that even if occasionally it means I hear that it was only the line to Clapham Junction affected.

Do we even need service update announcements at all? Now that essentially everyone has a smart phone, is this not a better way of disseminating information, especially as station and train announcements are only as accurate as the member of staff broadcasting them, which in turn depends on a range of factors.

It’s rather convenient that it’s possible for service update announcements to be linked to a measuring routine, which in turn can be led to someone’s bonus. Very easy to have loads of PAs going out, as is nowadays the case on TFL, rather harder to actually deliver useful information.

 

[vuzzeho]

Do we even need service update announcements at all? Now that essentially everyone has a smart phone, is this not a better way of disseminating information

When there's signal, that is. But on an unacceptably large amount of the network, there is still no signal, so the announcements are still the best way, imo. Additionally, not everyone will take the initiative to check the TfL app (and there are other circumstances - no phone, no battery, etc)

 

[paninaro]

Do we even need service update announcements at all? Now that essentially everyone has a smart phone, is this not a better way of disseminating information, especially as station and train announcements are only as accurate as the member of staff broadcasting them, which in turn depends on a range of factors.

I don't get any reception between Canada Water and Whitechapel (and sometime only after the train leaves the stations) so I guess they'd need to fix that

Also, I'd be worried about the everyone who doesn't have one or has forgotten theirs or doesn't want to have to use it on the Overground

 

[Goldfish62]

Do we even need service update announcements at all? Now that essentially everyone has a smart phone, is this not a better way of disseminating information, especially as station and train announcements are only as accurate as the member of staff broadcasting them, which in turn depends on a range of factors.

Over 25% of over 65s don't own a smartphone. Plus not everyone can read or can see. TfL would rightly be in a lot of trouble if they ignored these groups.

The frequency, clarity and length of announcements are an issue, but I know these have been cut down to an extent in recent years.

 

[GoneSouth]

The names are irrelevant. Doing something is definitely a good idea, as has been repeated ad nauseum in this thread

If the names are irrelevant they could have just been given numbers, O1, O2 etc instead of the political virtue signalling that has emerged

 

[Wolfie]

If the names are irrelevant they could have just been given numbers, O1, O2 etc instead of the political virtue signalling that has emerged

Ah, so if your comments are representative of the moans it's not about the names being unnecessary or the cost. Those are just straw men to justify moaning. It's just that you don't like the names selected and/or who selected them....

Bet that you loved the Elizabeth line name though....

 

[Class15]

The issue with these names is that they will become out-of-date in the long-term. Names like “Northern”, “Piccadilly” and “Victoria” (assuming it means the station) won’t. I’m also not a fan of Jubilee or Elizabeth. They will become dated in a few years, and “North London line”, “Watford line” etc, wouldn’t have.

 

[stuu]

If the names are irrelevant they could have just been given numbers, O1, O2 etc instead of the political virtue signalling that has emerged

Railways in London have names. The fact you don't like them is neither here nor there. Some people wouldn't have liked whatever was chosen. So deal with it

 

[duffield]

If the names are irrelevant they could have just been given numbers, O1, O2 etc instead of the political virtue signalling that has emerged

Numbers are a splendid idea. "The line one train is leaving from platform two in three minutes, the line two train is leaving from platform three in one minute, and the line three train is leaving from platform one in two minutes". Not at all confusing.

And as for the "virtue signalling", of course if we had to name them, we should have named them all after former monarchs, to join the thousands and thousands of streets, stations, hospitals etc. already named "Victoria", "George", "Elizabeth", "James", "Edward" and so forth. We can never have too many of those! God forbid we should name them after common people's achievements. It might give them ideas above their station!

 

[renegademaster]

When there's signal, that is. But on an unacceptably large amount of the network, there is still no signal, so the announcements are still the best way, imo. Additionally, not everyone will take the initiative to check the TfL app (and there are other circumstances - no phone, no battery, etc)

The Windrush line and Weaver line are branchy enough that even with the lines you are going to need to get your smartphone out whatever it says, unless it's fully suspended. Even for the simpler lines you are still going to want to know exactly what part is closed

You could eliminate the problem by splitting into a further couple of lines but we can't be far from running out of colours for the tube map

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Bet that you loved the Elizabeth line name though....

Plenty of people opposed and still oppose the Elizabeth line naming, if that name isn't immune from criticism i don't understand why these should be. Surely politically motivated namings shouldn't be something that happens in either direction. I don't want some tit for tat stuff with a future Tory mayor inventing the "Enterprise line" and "Individual responsibility line"

 

[OVERGROUND6]

Caught some more stuff on the network, such as a new Weaver line sign unveiled at Stoke Newington, and new announcements on the Windrush line.

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Caught some more stuff on the network, such as a new Weaver line sign unveiled at Stoke Newington, and new announcements on the Windrush line.

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Caught some more stuff on the network, such as a new Weaver line sign unveiled at Stoke Newington, and new announcements on the Windrush line.

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The announcement said "This is a Windrush line train to West Croydon."

 

[etr221]

essentially everyone

... isn't everyone

 

[Wolfie]

Plenty of people opposed and still oppose the Elizabeth line naming, if that name isn't immune from criticism i don't understand why these should be. Surely politically motivated namings shouldn't be something that happens in either direction. I don't want some tit for tat stuff with a future Tory mayor inventing the "Enterprise line" and "Individual responsibility line"

I agree. It was the tenor of the comment about the names that promoted that response.

 

[norbitonflyer]

The Windrush line and Weaver line are branchy enough that even with the lines you are going to need to get your smartphone out whatever it says,

No different from the Northern Line or District Line in that respect then

 

[renegademaster]

No different from the Northern Line or District Line in that respect then

Which kinds of questions the utility of giving everything a line name rather than just telling you [transport mode] is suspended between [place X] and [place Y] . You are only adding an extra few words to the announcement

 

[norbitonflyer]

Bet that you loved the Elizabeth line name though....

The Elizabeth Line, to all intents and purposes, is another Overground Line. Part of the National rail network, and mainly (but, like the Windrush Line, not entirely), on National Rail infrastructure, but operated under contract to TfL, not DfT, and charging TfL rail fares (not the extra "TOC Tax" we pay in most of South London).

Giving it a separate identity seemed wrong at the time, but can now be seen as having been a precursor to naming the rest of the Overground lines

 

[renegademaster]

The Elizabeth Line, to all intents and purposes, is another Overground Line

It's typical usage and service pattern is quite different though, it's not as slow and frequently stoping as the overground and lumping it under overground will make people think it is

 

[daveid]

I have just got hold of the new map and there's a glaring error in the Overground legend...

 

[Tobberz]

The Elizabeth Line, to all intents and purposes, is another Overground Line. Part of the National rail network, and mainly (but, like the Windrush Line, not entirely), on National Rail infrastructure, but operated under contract to TfL, not DfT, and charging TfL rail fares (not the extra "TOC Tax" we pay in most of South London).

Giving it a separate identity seemed wrong at the time, but can now be seen as having been a precursor to naming the rest of the Overground lines

I do feel Liz Line is far more akin to Thameslink in its service pattern & utility than the Overground lines.

 

[Acton1991]

I have just got hold of the new map and there's a glaring error in the Overground legend...

Don’t leave us hanging…

 

[Dstock7080]

Don’t leave us hanging…

In the key to Lines, Mildmay is missing the word ‘line’

 

[daveid]

In the key to Lines, Mildmay is missing the word ‘line’

That's the one. Proof that there is little quality control at TfL towers.

 

[Acton1991]

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In car maps are much clearer vs before, but only half on each side so could be slightly confusing

 

[CastlebarKeith]

The only thing that will be updated regularly on this vanity project will be the cost. > > > > It will increase.

 

[Goldfish62]

The only thing that will be updated regularly on this vanity project will be the cost. > > > > It will increase.

How do you make that out given that it's CapEx (capital expenditure), not OpEx (operating expenditure)?

 

[CapitalStar378]

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In car maps are much clearer vs before, but only half on each side so could be slightly confusing

The Lioness line is orange not yellow!