New Overground line names progress?

[Dstock7080]

As expected the official launch of the renaming has been delayed because of the recent cyber attack, all Staff need to attend one-on-one sessions to regain access to the internal systems.

 

[Wolfie]

The thing about the Marmay pronunciation is, you either love it or hate it.

How very yeasty....

 

[vuzzeho]

not one shred of evidence this is happening

Scroll up. Canada Water has uncovered signs of the new line names. TfL have just been through a devastating cyberattack. Maybe they want to get back on their feet before they launch projects like line renaming.

 

[Meerkat]

If Mildmay is pronounced as my paternal grandparents did, that is, 'Marmay', then there's no problem. Before they were married, they both lived a few hundred yards from Mildmay Park station (Hayling Road, Hawthorne Street), so I guess they knew how to pronounce it in the prescribed fashion.

If that is true it makes it an even more stupid choice of line name!
How would a tourist know they are listening for that when they read Mildmay?

 

[Cross City]

If Mildmay is pronounced as my paternal grandparents did, that is, 'Marmay', then there's no problem. Before they were married, they both lived a few hundred yards from Mildmay Park station (Hayling Road, Hawthorne Street), so I guess they knew how to pronounce it in the prescribed fashion.

People love to moan about the creeping Americanisation of the English langue but I'd welcome it if it put a stop to nonsense like this type of pronunciation.

 

[Egg Centric]

I slightly mourn the Harlequin Line, but even the Watford shopping centre has lost the name now (all the ones that left Intu got their old name back except that one for some reason!)

If it's any help, it's still called the Harlequin by most locals in my experience.

 

[JCO1406]

Saw this at Stratford earlier

 

[SynthD]

How would a tourist know they are listening for that when they read Mildmay?

Marylebone/Marlybun doesn’t seem to be a problem.

 

[themiller]

I wish Crossrail was called Crossrail.

Where’s the like button when you want it? Crossrail describes the line but Elisabeth…. I know the Victoria line because it goes through Victoria and the Circle line because…..

 

[Ghostbus]

Mildmay is the clear outlier. It is perhaps the only example of a piece of British infrastructure being named after a charity that it has no formal connection to?

I wonder how a name that is, I presume, so little known even in London, came to be adopted over the alternatives. What say the minutes?

 

[renegademaster]

Mildmay is the clear outlier. It is perhaps the only example of a piece of British infrastructure being named after a charity that it has no formal connection to?

Also not even the nearest of the lines to Mildmay Hospital.

Lioness , Weaver and Liberty do have an attempt at a local connection , but it wasnt attempted with the others.

 

[Meerkat]

Marylebone/Marlybun doesn’t seem to be a problem.

How do you know? And its a station (and not the biggest nor most touristy) rather than a line.

 

[Cross City]

How do you know? And its a station (and not the biggest nor most touristy) rather than a line.

It's the only station I can think of that has a massive tourist advertising booth in it, pimping train tickets to Bicester Village for the hoards of Chinese and American tourists.

 

[themiller]

This renaming of lines seems to me to be one (or more) person coming up with a ‘non-job’ in order to create their employment and so wages for a few months. Along their path to creating their own niche, they create confusion for the rest of us, all to influence their own financial and lifestyle advancement. The questions that should be asked are ‘Why?’ and ‘What is the overall benefit to the country?’.

 

[Wolfie]

This renaming of lines seems to me to be one (or more) person coming up with a ‘non-job’ in order to create their employment and so wages for a few months. Along their path to creating their own niche, they create confusion for the rest of us, all to influence their own financial and lifestyle advancement. The questions that should be asked are ‘Why?’ and ‘What is the overall benefit to the country?’.

Since when does TfL ask "what is the benefit to the country?" Had you said "benefit to London" l might have agreed.

 

[Malaxa]

Also not even the nearest of the lines to Mildmay Hospital.

Lioness , Weaver and Liberty do have an attempt at a local connection , but it wasnt attempted with the others.

But [see comments above] the line does pass through the long since closed and demolished Mildmay Park station. Anyway, the whole point here was to link it to AIDS treatment...
I call it the Marmite line.

 

[stuu]

This renaming of lines seems to me to be one (or more) person coming up with a ‘non-job’ in order to create their employment and so wages for a few months. Along their path to creating their own niche, they create confusion for the rest of us, all to influence their own financial and lifestyle advancement. The questions that should be asked are ‘Why?’ and ‘What is the overall benefit to the country?’.

Having individual names for each route is vastly more useful from a passenger information point of view. Much more useful than hearing "delays on London Overground", which could be anywhere. You can dislike the chosen names but it would have cost more or less the same to rebrand them 01,02, 03, or Tom, Dick and Harry or whatever.

Helping people move about is a clear benefit

 

[Wolfie]

Having individual names for each route is vastly more useful from a passenger information point of view. Much more useful than hearing "delays on London Overground", which could be anywhere. You can dislike the chosen names but it would have cost more or less the same to rebrand them 01,02, 03, or Tom, Dick and Harry or whatever.

Helping people move about is a clear benefit

.... and indeed l believe a Johnson mayoral-era survey/consultation showed a clear public preference for individual line names.

 

[themiller]

Having individual names for each route is vastly more useful from a passenger information point of view. Much more useful than hearing "delays on London Overground", which could be anywhere. You can dislike the chosen names but it would have cost more or less the same to rebrand them 01,02, 03, or Tom, Dick and Harry or whatever.

Helping people move about is a clear benefit

The lines already have names - Bakerloo, Victoria, etc. Why change these names which already exist and what’ll be the cost to taxpayers? Don’t try the reason that people will recognise them easier because they’re well known to regular users and existing maps guide visitors.

 

[JamesT]

The lines already have names - Bakerloo, Victoria, etc. Why change these names which already exist and what’ll be the cost to taxpayers? Don’t try the reason that people will recognise them easier because they’re well known to regular users and existing maps guide visitors.

Eh? They’re not renaming the existing Underground lines.
They’re giving line names to different parts of the Overground.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

The lines already have names - Bakerloo, Victoria, etc. Why change these names which already exist and what’ll be the cost to taxpayers? Don’t try the reason that people will recognise them easier because they’re well known to regular users and existing maps guide visitors.

Those are not the lines being renamed. It's the generic Overground lines that are being given individual identifiers

 

[Recessio]

This renaming of lines seems to me to be one (or more) person coming up with a ‘non-job’ in order to create their employment and so wages for a few months. Along their path to creating their own niche, they create confusion for the rest of us, all to influence their own financial and lifestyle advancement. The questions that should be asked are ‘Why?’ and ‘What is the overall benefit to the country?’.

The benefit is that you don't have six completely disparate lines with the same names, one of which is completely isolated from the rest of the network.

 

[themiller]

Eh? They’re not renaming the existing Underground lines.
They’re giving line names to different parts of the Overground.

Oh. I picked that up wrongly. I thought that it was a push to assign new names to all of the TfL lines. Oops. I still don’t understand the need to name them. After all, the line from Darlington to Middlesbrough isn’t named.

 

[Horizon22]

Oh. I picked that up wrongly. I thought that it was a push to assign new names to all of the TfL lines. Oops. I still don’t understand the need to name them. After all, the line from Darlington to Middlesbrough isn’t named.

There was a much bigger discussion about this on these forums in February.

London Overground line names announced

The new names for the six London Overground lines have been announced by the Mayor of London. They will all appear on the Underground map as parallel lines but on different colours, replacing the swathe of orange that currently appears. The new names are: Lioness - Euston to Watford Junction...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[Egg Centric]

After all, the line from Darlington to Middlesbrough isn’t named.

Tees Valley Line

 

[vic-rijrode]

After all, the line from Darlington to Middlesbrough isn’t named.

A lot of that line had one of the oldest railway names in the world - The Stockton and Darlington Railway ("Line"?).

 

[birchesgreen]

If you see how the London Overground is now on the map you'll probably understand why they need to separate the lines. Its currently all one orange mess and can be misleading.

 

[Tetchytyke]

If you see how the London Overground is now on the map you'll probably understand why they need to separate the lines. Its currently all one orange mess and can be misleading.

Absolutely. The spider's web of orange desperately needs untangling.

I think people are complaining because of the names chosen. If they'd just gone for S1, S2, etc, it would have cost exactly the same.

 

[Couru]

If you see how the London Overground is now on the map you'll probably understand why they need to separate the lines. Its currently all one orange mess and can be misleading.

I'm sure it's been said, but seeing "Partial Closure" on the Overground and having to do quick geography to figure out whether its your line or one on the other side of the city was never fun.

 

[harz99]

The whole naming lines is a nonsense, it would have been far easier, cleaner and simpler to use Line 1, Line 2 etc. Easier to remember, easier to give tourists directions, no issues with mispronunciation, would clearly separate over ground routes from under ground routes, and so on...