New German rail operator

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https://twitter.com/DerSchnellzug

Found out about this through linkedin but no idea what any of it says but seems they will start operating in 2016.

Cant seem to get a good answer from Bing so any ideas folks?My german is rusty

 

[LNW-GW Joint]

https://twitter.com/DerSchnellzug
Found out about this through linkedin but no idea what any of it says but seems they will start operating in 2016.
Cant seem to get a good answer from Bing so any ideas folks?My german is rusty

Some info here:
http://www.railjournal.com/index.ph...urg-open-access-rail-service.html?device=auto

HEILBRONN-based open-access passenger operator derschnellzug.de has announced plans to launch services on three long-distance routes from December and has begun recruiting onboard staff for the operation

 

[Gordon]

Stuttgart - Hamburg and Stuttgart - Aachen each once a week from 18 March 2016.

Philosophy Seems to be the opposite of most new transport service - especially 'no frills fast' like SNCF TGV Ouigo, in other words they are promoting their service as comfortable (compartment coaches) and with slow food, not fast food (which is "a taboo") - a sort of 'back to the good old days' - in which case I wish them good luck - a great idea!



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[DaiGog]

Stuttgart - Hamburg and Stuttgart - Aachen each once a week from 18 March 2016.

Philosophy Seems to be the opposite of most new transport service - especially 'no frills fast' like SNCF TGV Ouigo, in other words they are promoting their service as comfortable (compartment coaches) and with slow food, not fast food (which is "a taboo") - a sort of 'back to the good old days' - in which case I wish them good luck - a great idea!.

Hamburg - Stuttgart and return twice a week, one of which is overnight northbound, then a Stuttgart - Aachen and Aachen - Hamburg. Fast it ain't, but sounds very civilised with hauled comp stock and a nice restaurant in the offing. They also have ambitions to run into the east (I think it was Karlsruhe - Leipzig).

 

[gordonthemoron]

http://www.derschnellzug.de/

 

[D1009]

Stuttgart - Hamburg and Stuttgart - Aachen each once a week from 18 March 2016.

Philosophy Seems to be the opposite of most new transport service - especially 'no frills fast' like SNCF TGV Ouigo, in other words they are promoting their service as comfortable (compartment coaches) and with slow food, not fast food (which is "a taboo") - a sort of 'back to the good old days' - in which case I wish them good luck - a great idea!

Yes, no idea how the costs stack up compared with the UK, but presumably the number of new high speed lines in Germany means there is a lot of spare capacity on the "classic" routes which is available to open access operators. It's still seems amazing to me that anyone could make a go of a new all seated overnight service, unless their market research has identified a particular unfulfilled demand.

 

[Bungle965]

Anyone know what trains they will be using please.
Sam

 

[Bletchleyite]

Yes, no idea how the costs stack up compared with the UK, but presumably the number of new high speed lines in Germany means there is a lot of spare capacity on the "classic" routes which is available to open access operators. It's still seems amazing to me that anyone could make a go of a new all seated overnight service, unless their market research has identified a particular unfulfilled demand.

What an odd setup - I just noticed it's only 1/2 trains a week on each route. People playing trains for a laugh perhaps?

 

[gordonthemoron]

The Stuttgart-Hamburg service is using the high speed line between wurzburg and hanover

 

[glbotu]

But the service will somehow take almost 12 hours:

13:30 departure from Stuttgart arrives at 22:56 at Hamburg Hauptbahnhof, currently around a 5 hour journey on DB ICE.

Should probably change their name to dielangsamzug*........

*The Slow Train

 

[gordonthemoron]

or Eilzug (stops everywhere)
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it's probably quite slow before Wurzburg, and it takes the long way between Hanover and Hamburg, via Bremen

 

[Bletchleyite]

Eilzuege eilen nicht

 

[Gordon]

or Eilzug (stops everywhere)

In the good old days, an Eilzug did not stop everywhere. An Eilzug was a semi-fast, in between the all stations Nahverkehrszug and the express D-Zug

 

[nw1]

In the good old days, an Eilzug did not stop everywhere. An Eilzug was a semi-fast, in between the all stations Nahverkehrszug and the express D-Zug

Going off topic, but the strangest one I encountered was on the Circumvesuviana lines in 1985. There appeared to be three classes of train, "Diretto" (semi-slow, most stations but missing out the smaller ones), "Direttissimo" (semi-fast, major stations only) and "Accelerato" (all-stations stopper). Now I don't know for sure what "accelerato" is in English, but I have a pretty good idea, and it ain't going to be "slow"...

 

[Bletchleyite]

Going off topic, but the strangest one I encountered was on the Circumvesuviana lines in 1985. There appeared to be three classes of train, "Diretto" (semi-slow, most stations but missing out the smaller ones), "Direttissimo" (semi-fast, major stations only) and "Accelerato" (all-stations stopper). Now I don't know for sure what "accelerato" is in English, but I have a pretty good idea, and it ain't going to be "slow"...

That's like the way the Dutch have renamed the sensibly titled "stoptrein" to "Sprinter". Rather silly.

Mind you, the UK having removed train categorisation entirely is as "sensible"...

 

[30907]

Going off topic, but the strangest one I encountered was on the Circumvesuviana lines in 1985. There appeared to be three classes of train, "Diretto" (semi-slow, most stations but missing out the smaller ones), "Direttissimo" (semi-fast, major stations only) and "Accelerato" (all-stations stopper). Now I don't know for sure what "accelerato" is in English, but I have a pretty good idea, and it ain't going to be "slow"...

ISTR that sometime between the wars some stopping trains were retimed on faster schedules (aka shorter stops?), hence the name. Eventually applied to all services other than mixed trains, but the name continued in use.

 

[anme]

But the service will somehow take almost 12 hours:

13:30 departure from Stuttgart arrives at 22:56 at Hamburg Hauptbahnhof, currently around a 5 hour journey on DB ICE.

Should probably change their name to dielangsamzug*........

*The Slow Train

In fairness, it's 9 hours and 26 minutes. A lot slower than the ICE, but not quite 12 hours. Of course, it also serves intermediate stations.

 

[30907]

The Stuttgart-Hamburg service is using the high speed line between wurzburg and hanover

It calls at Bebra on the old line, and the running times on the rest are double those of an ICE.

Consensus seems to be it will use one of the various privately owned charter sets with a resaturant car - hence the diagram (which leaves space for the Dresden train when they have agreed a route for it at the Western end: Karlsruhe to Heilbronn is operated as part of the Karlsruhe S-Bahn by AVG )

 

[Groningen]

It seems that the Aachen - Stuttgart train is not stopping in Koeln Hbf, but Sued.

 

[4jochen]

they opted for "Köln Ehrenfeld" - I think - because the train is going the west side of river Rhein.
In HBF = central station that would mean a direction change to go to and from AAchen.
Köln Ehrenfeld is just west of HBF and therefore west of the Ring (downtown) of Köln. With Ehrenfeld they can just go through without change of direction.