New fracking licences

[northwichcat]

This map shows where the government have granted new fracking licences (in green): https://decc-edu.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=29c31fa4b00248418e545d222e57ddaa

They are mostly within in the traditional (pre-1974) Yorkshire, Lancashire and Cheshire counties. There's also some further North, in the North Midlands and in the South West but none in the Home Counties, London or South East.

 

[JamesT]

There's also some further North, in the North Midlands and in the South West but none in the Home Counties, London or South East.

I see a green bit directly South of London near Gatwick, and another 3 near Chichester. Don't those count?

 

[backontrack]

Wow. This is horrific.

 

[ainsworth74]

Wonderful they're allowed to frack almost underneath my house.

 

[backontrack]

They're allowed to frack under half of York, for God's sake!

 

[Trog]

This map shows where the government have granted new fracking licences (in green): https://decc-edu.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=29c31fa4b00248418e545d222e57ddaa

They are mostly within in the traditional (pre-1974) Yorkshire, Lancashire and Cheshire counties. There's also some further North, in the North Midlands and in the South West but none in the Home Counties, London or South East.

Before we go off on a the nasty Tories hate everyone up north diatribe, how does this match where there is suitable rock in the ground, or is this only phase one with more to come elsewhere next? As if there is no suitable rock in the South East there would not be much point offering licences.

 

[Amberley54]

I suspect Gideon Osbourne's next constituency surgery will be rather busy with constituents knocking on the door to complain about the impact of fracking on the 'value' of their rather large residences in his Tatton constituency.

They will be demanding an expansion of the UK's deep mined coal sector instead- oops too late!

 

[Darandio]

Wonderful they're allowed to frack almost underneath my house.

Lucky you, they're going directly under mine! :-x

 

[northwichcat]

I suspect Gideon Osbourne's next constituency surgery will be rather busy with constituents knocking on the door to complain about the impact of fracking on the 'value' of their rather large residences in his Tatton constituency.

Why do they think they pushed it through with 58 other announcements just before the MPs go on holiday?
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Before we go off on a the nasty Tories hate everyone up north diatribe, how does this match where there is suitable rock in the ground, or is this only phase one with more to come elsewhere next? As if there is no suitable rock in the South East there would not be much point offering licences.

There's an estimated £300bn worth of oil under West Sussex which is likely to require fracking to extract: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...n-worth-of-oil-discovered-in-West-Sussex.html

 

[Bevan Price]

This map shows where the government have granted new fracking licences (in green): https://decc-edu.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=29c31fa4b00248418e545d222e57ddaa

They are mostly within in the traditional (pre-1974) Yorkshire, Lancashire and Cheshire counties. There's also some further North, in the North Midlands and in the South West but none in the Home Counties, London or South East.

A lot of former coalfield areas. They say fracking more than 1200 metres deep should have no effects on the surface. But I am not sure I believe that when the entire area is filled with thousands of abandoned coal mines, many of whose locations & condition are poorly mapped & characterised.

Being rather cynical, I wonder if any of the "fracking" companies (or large shareholders) donate to party funds ??

 

[northwichcat]

A lot of former coalfield areas. They say fracking more than 1200 metres deep should have no effects on the surface. But I am not sure I believe that when the entire area is filled with thousands of abandoned coal mines, many of whose locations & condition are poorly mapped & characterised.

Some of the Cheshire towns included are salt mining towns. In the case of Winsford most of the rock salt which grits our roads still comes from there, in Northwich salt mining stopped after buildings started collapsing through subsidence. Subsidence has also happened in Winsford but close to the River Weaver to create artificial 'Flashes.'

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Let all the real geomorphologists on this thread please stand up and raise their right hand...
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Some of the Cheshire towns included are salt mining towns. In the case of Winsford most of the rock salt which grits our roads still comes from there, in Northwich salt mining stopped after buildings started collapsing through subsidence. Subsidence has also happened in Winsford but close to the River Weaver to create artificial 'Flashes.'

One might query the areas where the depth at which the sandstone underlying rock formation under Cheshire is nearest to the surface in the areas and of the actual thickness of the said rock strata.

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

How many water sources will be contaminated?
How many earthquakes will this cause?
Is there a chance the water taps at home will light up like in the USA?
Will the gas use lots of lorries or pipes?
Is this even profitable for companies in the medium term?
And what's the purpose of Nationsl Park's nowadaya?

These questions need answers from government.

 

[Mettie2000]

How many water sources will be contaminated?
How many earthquakes will this cause?
Is there a chance the water taps at home will light up like in the USA?
Will the gas use lots of lorries or pipes?
Is this even profitable for companies in the medium term?
And what's the purpose of Nationsl Park's nowadaya?

These questions need answers from government.

Well, try asking your MP then........

 

[skyhigh]

Wonderful they're allowed to frack almost underneath my house.

By my reckoning, I see the limit is about 1km away from my house... Lucky me!

 

[DarloRich]

I do love the hand wringing, end of the world is nigh type rubbish associated with this proposal. I would suggest that 9 out of 10 of these licensees come to nothing.

Anyway - they aren't doing it near me so they can crack on. My energy prices might be reduced. Its only those common northern oiks what will be complaining anyway

 

[devon_metro]

Yawn. The anti fracking debate really is quite boring. It's down to Geology as to where DECC offers shale licences, this just happens to be the Weald basin in the south east and large swathes of northern England.

Oil and gas exploration and production is dangerous irrespective of whether using conventional or unconventional "fracking" techniques, yet it happens safely all across the globe. The UK is a heavily regulated industry so any unconventional drilling will be conducted safely after months of study, whilst the impact will be closely monitored. The most dangerous thing is the crazy anti-fracking protesters rioting about something they don't understand - what % of them are technically trained in geology I wonder...

 

[northwichcat]

Yawn. The anti fracking debate really is quite boring. It's down to Geology as to where DECC offers shale licences, this just happens to be the Weald basin in the south east and large swathes of northern England.

Oil and gas exploration and production is dangerous irrespective of whether using conventional or unconventional "fracking" techniques, yet it happens safely all across the globe. The UK is a heavily regulated industry so any unconventional drilling will be conducted safely after months of study, whilst the impact will be closely monitored. The most dangerous thing is the crazy anti-fracking protesters rioting about something they don't understand - what % of them are technically trained in geology I wonder...

Fracking has already been going on in Lancashire too and has had unintended consequences, like causing small earthquakes which have damaged buildings. Oh, of course, things like that don't get reported on the national news unless they happen in the South so you wouldn't know about it.

 

[GrimsbyPacer]

If a fracking incident causes an earthquake, can you sue the company for damage or does it count as an act of god like other earthquakes?

 

[DarloRich]

Fracking has already been going on in Lancashire too and has had unintended consequences, like causing small earthquakes which have damaged buildings. Oh, of course, things like that don't get reported on the national news unless they happen in the South so you wouldn't know about it.

don't be so silly. It has been widely reported in all major news outlets. :roll:

I found some examples for you. I will admit they are in little known publications called The Telegraph, The Guardian and something new called the BBC so I am not sure how much of the country has access to them:

Telegraph: Cuadrilla admits drilling caused Blackpool earthquakes

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/...ts-drilling-caused-Blackpool-earthquakes.html

Gaurdian: Blackpool earthquake tremors may have been caused by gas drilling

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/jun/01/blackpool-earthquake-tremors-gas-drilling

BBC: Fracking tests near Blackpool 'likely cause' of tremors

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lancashire-15550458

PS living some distance from Blackpool would you like to have a guess how i heard about the problems?

 

[backontrack]

I'm not religious, but this is still terrible...I don't care whether or not they will, but they're still allowed to frack directly under York Minster!

 

[ExRes]

If a fracking incident causes an earthquake, can you sue the company for damage or does it count as an act of god like other earthquakes?

I suppose it all depends on whether God has applied for, and been granted, a fracking licence, but as Christianity is considered idiotic by so many on this forum the point is a rather moot one

 

[DarloRich]

I'm not religious, but this is still terrible...I don't care whether or not they will, but they're still allowed to frack directly under York Minster!

They are already allowed to extract coal and other minerals from under both York minster and your house and my house. What is the difference?

 

[radamfi]

Many developed countries have either decided to put fracking on hold or ban it altogether. Even some US states have banned it. So I can't see how fracking seems to be such a "no brainer" as we are led to believe.

 

[BlythPower]

Being rather cynical, I wonder if any of the "fracking" companies (or large shareholders) donate to party funds ??

George Osborne's father-in-law is the Fracker-in-Chief.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/osborne-accused-over-gas-lobbyist-father-in-law-7985001.html

George Osborne was facing fresh questions yesterday over his controversial push to make Britain a worldwide hub for fossil fuels, after it emerged that his father-in-law is the head of a lobbying organisation for big oil and gas companies.

Lord Howell of Guildford, who is an energy minister at the Foreign Office, is also the president of the British Institute of Energy Economics (BIEE), which is sponsored by Shell and BP – prompting suggestions of a conflict of interest.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I suppose it all depends on whether God has applied for, and been granted, a fracking licence, but as Christianity is considered idiotic by so many on this forum the point is a rather moot one

Noting what you say about certain forum members, would their lack of belief in "God" preclude them from any legal definition of "an Act of God".

Just an idle thought.
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They are already allowed to extract coal and other minerals from under both York minster and your house and my house. What is the difference?

I need a new project to keep me occupied over the coming months, so I will be contacting certain bodies to enquire exactly what may well be in the underlying rock strata under my property. It is not all that far away from the ancient Alderley Edge copper mines, where malachite, azurite, galena, iron, barite, asbolite and chrysololla have also been extracted in past times.

 

[Amberley54]

I need a new project to keep me occupied over the coming months, so I will be contacting certain bodies to enquire exactly what may well be in the underlying rock strata under my property. It is not all that far away from the ancient Alderley Edge copper mines, where malachite, azurite, galena, iron, barite, asbolite and chrysololla have also been extracted in past times.

And if you go generally north east from your palatial abode, there is coal, more coal and even more coal around Poynton, Disley etc. But as we no longer have a deep mining coal industry, it's irrelevant.

 

[DarloRich]

Odd the op hasn't been back to discuss the fact tracking damage has been reported nationally......

 

[Groningen]

Tomorriow Theresa May will announce plans for fracking. Households will get around 13.000 pounds. This to boost the economy. Luckely fracking is the safest method to get gas to the surface.

 

[12CSVT]

Tomorriow Theresa May will announce plans for fracking. Households will get around 13.000 pounds. This to boost the economy. Luckely fracking is the safest method to get gas to the surface.

The word in the dictionary that describes this is 'bribery'.

"Let us contaminate your water and cause earth tremors in your neighbourhood and we'll bung you a cheque for £13,000".