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http://www.freightliner.co.uk/newsdetail.aspx?newsid=52

Body Narrow Body with exterior walkway
Length Over Buffers 23,000 mm
Height (over operator cab) 3,917 mm
Width (over cab sides) 2,642 mm
Total Weight 126 tonnes
Axle Configuration CoCo
Gross Horsepower 2750 kW (3686 hp)
Maximum Speed 120 kph / 75mph
Maximum Starting Tractive Effort 534 kN
Wheel Diameter 1,067 mm
Fuel Capacity (usable) 6,000 litres / 1320 Gallons
Engine GE J616
Fuel Distribution System Common Rail
Alternator GE GTA series
Traction Motors AC - GE 5GEB30
Bogies Fabricated frame with axle hung motors
Air Brakes Dynamic Electronic - EAB
Control System GE CCA – Common Control Architecture
Diagnostics Self Testing with diagnostic display panel

Sounds like a class 58 to me .... :lol:
 
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Hmm, yep, 58 revisited! Although it has been mentioned elsewhere as to how they are going to get that particular power plant into the UK loading gauge... especially with the narrow centre section
 
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Class 68???

About time FL sorted their loco shortage out, even though it was stupid to get rid of the 57s in the first place. :roll:

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Bloody! yes. So whats this engine? has it being used before? but more importantly what does it sound 'cof' clag like?
 
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Chaps, its NOT a 58, It wont sound like a 58, it wont look like a 58, it just happens to have a narrow body...

and as for "Clag"....well........thats just very bad driving, it may produce effects, but it also can severely overfuel the locos engine and can lead to premature failure ... would you sit at a set of lights with your diesel powered car opening and closing the throttle to its maximum setting to produce a plume of smoke as you leave the lights, at the risk that you screw up the cat, the engine and the drive train ....????

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I guess the railings on the side are there to make sure train surfers don't fall off.
 
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Gizmogle said:
Sounds like my kinda loco :p

I'd quite like to see some mockup pics when they do some.

What's wrong with the millions of sheds they have anyway?
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Kinky! :lol: Your my kinda girl Giz!

I think its good to have some Loco Variety. Hopefully someone will buy the beautiful Siemens ER20 (Eurorunner) Diesel loco which is new to the Lithuanian Railways (if they can get it within our gauge) and then we can have some Competition to the GM products.

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Siemens ER20

Its a shame we dont have any Loco builders anymore C'mon Brush get ya finger out and design something people want to have hauling their trains!

Karl :)
 
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Gizmogle said:
Sounds like my kinda loco :p

I'd quite like to see some mockup pics when they do some.

What's wrong with the millions of sheds they have anyway?
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They don't have enough sheds, they've been hiring from DRS since they got rid of the 57s. Although if this loco is a success, say good by to further orders for 66s *prays* :lol:

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The new Freightliner loco's will not replace 66's per se, they are being designed for a totally different and new job. Lets just say their arrival co-incides with Network Rails gauge increases just on certain tracks...like Southampton to West Midlands ( Lawley st and Hams Hall etc) and Ely to Nuneaton, allowing the transit of larger containers and larger loads in total..
It wouldn't surprise me that someone does come up with a replacement for the 66's as the technology is struggling to meet the 'green' aspirations and other things that were never envisaged when they were designed.
Expect some 66's on order to be cancelled , (or sold in Europe)
The increased size of juggernauts under evaluation shortly is causing a few jitters in the rail freight market long term.
 
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The 66 is far from a modern design anyway. They themselves have been around for about 10years now, and are derived from the SD70 which has been around since the early 90s and is no longer produced, but with the bodyshell of the mid 80s designed Class 59s.
 
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people have sighted the Blue Tiger as the suspected design, but thats by a different company based on the other side the globe.

Also it doesnt specify that there will be two cabs, so it could be a single ended loco like the rest of GE's product line.
 
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It's not going to be single cab, there are no high power single cab locos running in Europe (that I know of, and even if they are they arn't common and arn't in "mainstream" Europe). Single cabs are fine in places like America where train length and weight, and line gradient, is such that 2 or more locos on the head of a train is normal, but not in Europe where most trains are operated by a single loco. Single cab locos running bonnet first is very rare anywhere on the mainline, and often entails speed restrictions or double manning (to give better visability), single cab locos nearly always run as pairs. If this was planned, it would likely be around 2000hp, not nearly 4000hp.
 
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LucaZone said:
people have sighted the Blue Tiger as the suspected design, but thats by a different company based on the other side the globe.

Also it doesnt specify that there will be two cabs, so it could be a single ended loco like the rest of GE's product line.
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ChrisCooper said:
It's not going to be single cab, there are no high power single cab locos running in Europe (that I know of, and even if they are they arn't common and arn't in "mainstream" Europe). Single cabs are fine in places like America where train length and weight, and line gradient, is such that 2 or more locos on the head of a train is normal, but not in Europe where most trains are operated by a single loco. Single cab locos running bonnet first is very rare anywhere on the mainline, and often entails speed restrictions or double manning (to give better visability), single cab locos nearly always run as pairs. If this was planned, it would likely be around 2000hp, not nearly 4000hp.
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The Blue Tiger can be single ended loco, the railway here uses the Blue Tiger and only use it single ended. But why would FL wants to buy a freight train which is made in 2003?

Here is the Data Specification for Blue Tiger use here (Note the railway here uses narrow gauge):

Locomotive Type: DE - AC33 C
Engine Type: GE 7FDL12
Cylinders: 12, 45 degree arrangements
Bore: 228.6mm (9 inches)
Stroke: 266.7mm (10.5 inches)
Compression Ratio: 15.7:1
Diesel Electric: Diesel Electric AC/AC
Traction Motor: 5GEB24
Gear Ratio: 1:4.722 (18:85 cogs)
Control Voltage: N/A
Braking System(s): Vacuum, Air Dual-Pipe, Dynamic
Weight: 120 tonnes
Axle Load: 20 tonnes maximum, 18.5 tones minimum
Loco Power Rating: 3300hp (Norminal), 3100hp (side)
Maximum Speed: 120 km/h (Fully worn wheels) (75 mph)
Gauge: 1000mm (metre) (Narrow Gauge in use here)
Wheel Arrangement: CO-CO
Wheel Diameter: 965mm maximum, 890mm minimum
Length over buffers: 22 000mm
Fuel Capacity: 5500 litres
Sandbox Capacity: 240 litres (3 X 80 litres)
 
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Your correct David, the Class 66 was introduced from 1998 onwards, not 1997. English, Welsh & Scottish Railway, then a subsidiary of Wisconsin Central, brought most of the then British Rail's freight operations, in 1996, after BR's freight operations were privatised in the same year. Look up answers.com for Class 66 (& Class 59 for that matter), & all will be confirmed.

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Mart 158741 said:
Your correct David, the Class 66 was introduced from 1998 onwards, not 1997. English, Welsh & Scottish Railway, then a subsidiary of Wisconsin Central, brought most of the then British Rail's freight operations, in 1996, after BR's freight operations were privatised in the same year. Look up answers.com for Class 66 (& Class 59 for that matter), & all will be confirmed.

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One year out ;)

But the main design of 66s was way before 1998
 
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