Yorkshire09876
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And they miss the opportunity for a night out in Keighley too...
Actually, not sure which is worse - that or a car park in Bedford!
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And they miss the opportunity for a night out in Keighley too...
Actually, not sure which is worse - that or a car park in Bedford!
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TheSel
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Some cracking pubs in Keighley, but we're digressing...
Western 52
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I expect Monday's trip to Wales will be cancelled then. Pity as I'm sure the punters were looking forward to their over night stop in platform 2 at Haverfordwest!
MadCommuter
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This could be the stock heading back to Eastleigh:
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Realtime Trains | 5J03 0900 Wellingborough Neilson Sdg to Eastleigh East Yard | 04/08/2025
Real-time train running information for 5J03 0900 departure from Wellingborough Neilson Sdg to Eastleigh East Yard on 04/08/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
BillStampy
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Assuming so. As previous comments have stated, they've rushed this stock in too quickly and it should've been prepared and tested more before trying to put the well paying passengers on the thing. Hopefully they can spend a bit of time to iron out the issues plaguing the thing.This could be the stock heading back to Eastleigh:
Realtime Trains | 5J03 0900 Wellingborough Neilson Sdg to Eastleigh East Yard | 04/08/2025
Real-time train running information for 5J03 0900 departure from Wellingborough Neilson Sdg to Eastleigh East Yard on 04/08/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Deepgreen
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If this one also fails, they will start to lose a huge amount of trust, if they haven't already. It's been a disaster, and with probably the most potentially-litigious (i.e. richest) customers on the railway!
BillStampy
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Isn't the stock still down at Eastleigh? The runs for the entirety of next week have all been axed and removed from booking availability.
It appears the 8th is still available to book on the Belmond website; I agree this probably means little or nothing though.
Deepgreen
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Hmm - I wonder where else one would expect to book these trips? 'BillStampy' stated that all possible booking options had been removed, but this seems the obvious one. What a mess.
There are two alternative ways to view available dates on the Belmond website, but they do not return the same results. It doesn't fill one with confidence.
I wonder whether the paying passengers spend time on RTT looking to see what has happened to the trips previous to the one they are booked on? Probably not, so when theirs is cancelled they accept whatever they are told, along with the compensation, without realising that it's part of a pattern. I imagine that Belmond's small print will cover them against any other claims pretty comprehensively anyway. LVMH probably have competent lawyers to organise these things.
The Britannic Explorer doesn't feature on TripAdvisor yet, but the British Pullman appears to do alright, apart from the punters who complain that they were expecting a steam engine (Belmond's response is along the lines that 'if it was going to be a steam loco we would have said so, if we don't specifically say that a particular offer is steam-hauled then it won't be'). And then there are the ones that are up in arms because it went without them although they were only half an hour late. But I digress.
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Gloster
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It does look as though they have largely managed to prevent the main news outlets hearing of the cancellation: I can find nothing later than the 21 July one. Even though it is ’just another cancellation’ the titillating details about the rich and pampered being forced to disembark in Bedford ought to have been worth an item. I presume that a high proportion of the passengers are foreign, so they wouldn’t be the sort of people who will write to the Times or Telegraph, or contact people high up in the media. We may see rumours slowly start seeping back from reports in the South Arkansas Cornpone Dealers Gazette or the Wagga Wagga Cork Hangers Tribune, but by then Belmond will either have got things running well or thrown in the towel (monogrammed, of course).
Deepgreen
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I wonder if previous cancelled/aborted trips' disappointed punters will have been offered free trips on the next one, and so on and so on, ad infinitum!
Maurice Turner
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Looks like another attempt is being made. Tomorrow at 8.09 the 5Z65 goes to Stewarts Lane, then on to Victoria.
Let's hope it works this time!
Let's hope it works this time!
5Z65 0809 ECS Eastleigh Arlington - Stewarts Lane
5Z10 1437 ECS Stewarts Lane - Victoria
0Z10 1500 Light Loco Stewarts Lane - Victoria
1Z10 1548 Victoria - Cranmore
then no paths out of Cranmore later tomorrow or all day Saturday.
but Saturday;
1Z62 0900 Bishops Lydeard Gbrf to Penzance
5Z10 1437 ECS Stewarts Lane - Victoria
0Z10 1500 Light Loco Stewarts Lane - Victoria
1Z10 1548 Victoria - Cranmore
then no paths out of Cranmore later tomorrow or all day Saturday.
but Saturday;
1Z62 0900 Bishops Lydeard Gbrf to Penzance
BillStampy
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Ah, new schedule in then, let's hope!
Kite159
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66748 is looking good in blue to match the coaches (seen at Clapham when on 5Z65).
eastwestdivide
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Cancelled "due to a request by the train operator" according to realtimetrains. Either more disappointed passengers, or perhaps it was intended as another dry run, hence the change from 1Z to 5Z?
Well they were taking bookings, but we don't know when they were told it was cancelled.
Deepgreen
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Would it not have been a 5Zxx throughout if so? The 1Z10 RTT entry also had the train timed at 33mph max!
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Followed by 5Z66 09:00 Cranmore to Victoria tomorrow.
Deepgreen
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I imagine they were on the leg to Keighley before it terminated and cancelled at Bedford.
eastwestdivide
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Maybe someone loaded the “standard” timings and forgot to adjust it until later? Think the 33mph is a data error - it’s appeared before.
Deepgreen
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Well, it's managed to get to Cranmore, albeit as ECS!