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Network Rail: Are redundancies coming?

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I'm hearing that the government have told network Rail to reduce their costs by 15% annually - should we expect to see mass redundancies?

Maintenance and renewals have already been cut to the bone because of inflationary pressure so it feels like the focus will be on staff on the lead up to GBr.
 
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There may be some scope for redundancies where there is duplication - some station management roles and projects potentially. But there's still a lot of speculation around what shape GBR will form.

Either way, sounds like we'll have a lot more infrastructure failures

If infrastructure, response and control roles are impacted and maintenance budgets are decreased then perhaps. If other areas are affected, perhaps not.

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What, you mean, more than they already do…? :s

Well, yes. Climate change will also have an increasing impact on the performance of the railway without mitigation.
 

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There may be some scope for redundancies where there is duplication - some station management roles and projects potentially. But there's still a lot of speculation around what shape GBR will form.



If infrastructure, response and control roles are impacted and maintenance budgets are decreased then perhaps. If other areas are affected, perhaps not.

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Well, yes. Climate change will also have an increasing impact on the performance of the railway without mitigation.
This precedes any GBr reshuffling and is being enacted from April 26 vs the 'start of GBr' in April 27
 

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This precedes any GBr reshuffling and is being enacted from April 26 vs the 'start of GBr' in April 27

May still be some in advance or roles left open etc etc.
 

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Front line and band 5-8 won't be included. Its exec and bands 1-4. 15% is being used as the cost reduction. Depending on who you listen to, its another round of voluntary severance or compulsory
 

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Front line and band 5-8 won't be included. Its exec and bands 1-4. 15% is being used as the cost reduction. Depending on who you listen to, its another round of voluntary severance or compulsory
Remind me please which bands are the lower grade.
 

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I'm hearing that the government have told network Rail to reduce their costs by 15% annually - should we expect to see mass redundancies?

Maintenance and renewals have already been cut to the bone because of inflationary pressure so it feels like the focus will be on staff on the lead up to GBr.

There won’t be mass redundancies.

There might be some redundancies in some parts of the business (indeed the whole railway). But most if not all of them will be voluntary and in management grades. To be fair, there have been redundancies on various parts of the railway including Network Rail more or less constantly for the last 4 years.

For those affected, I have it from ‘very high authority’ that there will be jobs for everyone who wants one. It might well not be the same job, or even same tyoe of job, but in a restructuring of the industry of the like we are about to see then it is only natural that the type of work will change. But at the sharp end - traincrew, operations, maintenance, depots, stations, train planning - the work will remain much the same (albeit with new technology, just like in all walks of life).
 

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For those affected, I have it from ‘very high authority’ that there will be jobs for everyone who wants one. It might well not be the same job, or even same tyoe of job, but in a restructuring of the industry of the like we are about to see then it is only natural that the type of work will change. But at the sharp end - traincrew, operations, maintenance, depots, stations, train planning - the work will remain much the same (albeit with new technology, just like in all walks of life).
As unsettling as reorganisations are taking a new job in a new area could be a good move longer term. Look at how many of the 'big beasts' from BR worked in various roles across the organisation as they worked their way up. It's one of the things privatisation made more difficult from what I've seen - that ability to work across whole parts of rail (or at least easily).
 

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There won’t be mass redundancies.

There might be some redundancies in some parts of the business (indeed the whole railway). But most if not all of them will be voluntary and in management grades. To be fair, there have been redundancies on various parts of the railway including Network Rail more or less constantly for the last 4 years.

For those affected, I have it from ‘very high authority’ that there will be jobs for everyone who wants one. It might well not be the same job, or even same tyoe of job, but in a restructuring of the industry of the like we are about to see then it is only natural that the type of work will change. But at the sharp end - traincrew, operations, maintenance, depots, stations, train planning - the work will remain much the same (albeit with new technology, just like in all walks of life).
Now one of the rumours is that the last VS saw a corporate brain drain again, and they aren't looking for that.
 

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As unsettling as reorganisations are taking a new job in a new area could be a good move longer term

Indeed, and it is what I have done the three times I have been without a job.


Now one of the rumours is that the last VS saw a corporate brain drain again, and they aren't looking for that.

The ‘brain drain’ happens whether there’s redundancies or not.
 

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Front line and band 5-8 won't be included. Its exec and bands 1-4. 15% is being used as the cost reduction. Depending on who you listen to, its another round of voluntary severance or compulsory

The language around VS seems very considered from HR - "There is no plan for VS"

So I assume there will be VR instead.

Seems a bit unfair as staff will use VS and VR interchangeably
 

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The ‘brain drain’ happens whether there’s redundancies or not.
Yes, but with VS its normally those with just under the 40 years in and a nearly topped out pension that go and there is never enough time for the brain dump out of them!
 

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Either way, sounds like we'll have a lot more infrastructure failures

Is that even possible? The ECML has had numerous incidents almost every single day for weeks.

I know it was very hot for a number of days, but I can't remember so many issues with such regularity.

Sure there are still crew shortages and rolling stock issues but they're not the common issues anymore.

So much work is now keeping things going than improving things so getting rid of staff would be a disaster (hopefully not literally).
 

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Indeed, and it is what I have done the three times I have been without a job.




The ‘brain drain’ happens whether there’s redundancies or not.
The trick is encouraging those with transferable skills and an open mind to recognise that a new job/area is an opportunity. The challenge is to weed out those who think they have transferable skills and who talk a good job! :lol:
 

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What you likely get is all the good people who can get another job leaving when they think there are possible job cuts to come, and you're left with people who perhaps can't so easily move.

Now you're trying to do more with less, and the less is even more less..!
 

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I’ve heard from various sources that the job market in the management grades at a number of TOCs and parts of Network Rail has dried up in the last couple of months. It’ll certainly be a bumpy few years in those grades.

It sounds like there'll be a round of redundancies, followed by some posts disappearing and new ones appearing within the revised GBR structure. This is all alongside the already ongoing process of parts of the "group" functions at the owning groups being wound down as operations start to pass into DfTO control. Lots of opportunities for some people.

As for other grades, unless slimming down is already on the cards, I wouldn't be so worried for now.
 
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Hopefully everyone gets fair treatment when the job cuts happen, but I would like to see signaller grading structure change into role clarity.

Now i know how that sounds before anyone starts, but the bands 1-4 are more flexible in their roles. For example, if a signal box is uncovered, a Lom can go and work it, another signaller from a different location cannot. Loms unfortunatley are not paid overtime however, but can be flexible in the week, signallers are not.
 
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Hopefully everyone gets fair treatment when the job cuts happen, but I would like to see less signallers and more managment grades.

Now i know how that sounds before anyone starts, but the bands 1-4 are more flexible in their roles, and less rigid on RMT rules. For example, if a signal box is uncovered, a Lom can go and work it, another signaller from a different location cannot. Loms are not paid overtime and can be flexible in the week, signallers are not.

Add examples like this up and you have a complete restructure of operations for the better, and for the passenger.
Aren't LOMs on role clarity banding anyway? So you would end up likely not being able to employ LOMs as they would be on a lot less money than the signallers with more responsibilities. You would have to bump their band up. The re-orgs are delayed by a few months now anyway.
 
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Aren't LOMs on role clarity banding anyway? So you would end up likely not being able to employ LOMs as they would be on a lot less money than the signallers with more responsibilities. You would have to bump their band up. The re-orgs are delayed by a few months now anyway.
Yes, LOMs are on role clarity bands. You could bump their band up as they would be doing more work, but the point is they are flexible and not as rigid in job role as signallers and moms etc
 
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I guess we have our answer now…

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Thousands of rail workers to lose jobs under Labour’s nationalisation plans​

Network Rail prepares to cut 15pc of workforce amid ‘increased demands’ and looming GBR merger


Network Rail to cut workforce in preparation of its merger with Great British Railways

Thousands of rail workers are to be made redundant as part of Labour’s plan to nationalise the railways.
Network Rail is cutting 15 per cent of its workforce as it faces a budget shortfall potentially as high as £1.8bn.
An estimated 2,000 employees out of the organisation’s total headcount of 41,000 could be laid off in the coming months.
Network Rail bosses told staff the proposed job cuts were needed as part of preparations for the track maintenance company to be absorbed into Great British Railways (GBR).
Earlier, Rachel Reeves revealed Labour could spend up to £45bn of taxpayers’ money on the Northern Powerhouse Rail project, including a possible extension of the controversial HS2 railway line to Manchester.

An all-staff message issued by Clive Berrington, Network Rail’s group director of route services, suggested the cuts were necessary to cope with “increased demands” and in preparation for the company’s merger with GBR.

He said: “We are facing increased demands that require additional resources, particularly in areas such as cyber security, new telecoms services, and lifts and escalators.
“We are also evaluating what needs to be done to get Route Services ready for GBR.”
Dave Hooper, Network Rail’s managing director for its southern region, said in a separate bulletin that there was a £350m gap in funding for his area alone between now and the year 2029.
The bulletin, seen by The Telegraph, said: “We’ve explained the demands on our funding and that there’s no additional money available.
“In fact, our [funding] settlement assumes we deliver significant efficiencies, which increase every year of the Control Period.”

Cuts to affect junior managerial grades​

GBR is at the heart of Labour’s flagship plan to take passenger trains into full state ownership and control, ending rail privatisation reforms introduced by John Major in the mid-1990s.
The redundancies will affect staff in Bands 1 to 4, which are understood to be junior managerial grades. Affected staff will be formally placed at risk of redundancy from next Tuesday, The Telegraph understands.

Network Rail’s taxpayer funding is allocated in five-year control periods. The current period, known as CP7, ends in 2029, which is the latest year in which a general election could be held.
Speaking to the BBC on Tuesday morning, Ms Reeves claimed Labour’s promised increase in public spending on the railways in the 2030s is “actually going to happen”.
She said: “We’re doing this properly, doing this right. Because I want to give confidence to people that this is actually going to happen.
“It’s going to improve your train links, whether you live in Pudsey or Rotherham, or Newcastle or Darlington, or in the centres of Manchester and Liverpool, and Bradford and Sheffield.
“You’re going to see benefits from this.”

Although Labour has said the total budget for Northern Powerhouse Rail is capped at £45bn, just £1.1bn of taxpayers’ money has been allocated to design and feasibility studies so far.
Michael Dnes, a transport consultant, suggested this week that Labour’s announcement about using the former HS2 route between Manchester and Birmingham for a new, standard-speed railway line had only come about because legal powers authorising land purchase and track construction are due to expire soon.

“In case you’re unclear, yes, this is HS2 coming back – at least in the sense that it’s the HS2 rail line,” he said, adding that the line is “not being built at any measurable point in the future”.
A rail industry source who requested to be anonymous said: “It’s all linked to the creation of GBR and resizing the organisation for that.”
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Regarding the redundancies at Network Rail, a spokesperson said: “We’re committed to delivering a safe, reliable railway while reducing costs for taxpayers and meeting our £3.9bn efficiency target for this control period.
“To achieve this, we’ve reviewed how we operate across the business, including management structures, to ensure we’re as efficient as possible.
“Our review is now concluding, and we’ll be sharing proposals with colleagues and trade unions for discussion over the coming weeks before any final decisions are made.”
The RMT trade union confirmed it was aware of the redundancy plan but said it would not affect the trade union’s members, who are frontline workers rather than managerial staff.

The Transport Salaried Staffs’ Association, which represents affected managers, did not respond to a request for comment.
The DfT declined to comment.
 
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I guess we have our answer now…

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I don’t think it’s that much of a surprise. Duplication in certain roles at management levels shared between TOC/NR currently was likely to be one of the types of roles to go.
 

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I honestly did not think there would be job losses under Labour. I am surprised tbh.

The whole purpose of GBR is to join up the railway, which reduces the interfaces and transactions, and that means fewer people.


Nice of them to release more information to the press than the have done internally!

What the press have is what has been released internally in two parts of NR; every other part has had a very similar communication to those who might be affected. Whilst I don’t know, it’s almost certain that NR has not briefed the press, because that sort of briefing would be done by the national media team (“a Network Rail spokesperson”), and not the two senior directors quoted. It looks like someone affected has gone to the press with the internal comms. Hence why it has “been seen by The Telegraph”, which is press language for someone sending something in whatever is the digital version of a brown envelope.

The article is in any event misleading. It is not 15% of the workforce, as is patently obvious from the numbers the article quotes, namely “estimated” (by who?) 2,000 posts out of 41,000. That’s less than 5%. Maths evidently not this reporter’s long suit.

The proposal is, AIUI, to reduce the budgeted management cost by 15%. It only directly affects managers, and will affect higher graded posts more (as that reduces cost more per post). Personally I’d be surprised if 2,000 people end up leaving, as there’s quite a few vacancies being carried in some places.
 
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Well, the modernising maintenance went well. Less boots on the ground, but considerably more managers.

As for putting signallers on role clarity contracts, they may try that for new starters but would probably be met with resistance by longer term staff.
 
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