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Is it true that after all the hype about hopping on and off between stops all future conversions to the Giant Egotripper will be OPO at all times with all doors firmly closed between stops? Could it also be that routes with 'conductors' will quietly lose them gradually? Never did think they'd allow them to operate open-backed in South London: after all, knowing our reputation, we;d strip out all the fixtures and fittings between Elephant and Deptford!
 
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Could it also be that routes with 'conductors' will quietly lose them gradually?

I think it depends. The 38 had the "conductors" when they first got the prototypes, but lost them. Now it's been converted fully to NBfL the "conductors" are back.

I think TfL toyed with the idea of getting rid of "conductors" for all new routes, but then were mocked so vociferously they've changed their mind.
 

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Last I heard, the official line was that it'll be a route-by-route decision.

What criteria will be used for route-by-route assessment? One would think that those routes which were last to be converted from the one-and=only true Routemaster were those on which the hop on/off principle was most established and therefore most needed now, if need is the right word.

Looking at those last dozen or so routes, each passed or reached one of the two Circuses, Oxford or Piccadilly, indeed the Piccadilly thoroughfare itself ten years ago was hosting six routes, all of them RM. Oxford Street, Regent Street and Piccadilly with their traffic lights every few yards would seem to be no-brainers for conductor operation, but it doesn't look like TfL feel that about the former, particularly now the 8 won't receive conductors (yes, I know it's currently cut back). I await the decision about the 73 and if that is operated without conductors I think it can be said that they're on the way out as soon as Boris considers he can save face.

Regarding the 23 route, on the mock-ups and presentations this looked like it would be one of the first. Could it be that Tower Transit have said 'no thanks' to them and also continuing to operate the 'Heritage' 9. The only time I travelled on the latter was a few weeks ago on a Saturday, when I watched the bus I wanted to catch go into its Trafalgar Square terminus and only reappeared after a 25 minute wait. Any fears of the bus being crockrd were allayed when its driver, a man of mature years, proceeded to get us to Kensington, Holland Road in less than fifteen minutes, including a u-turn onto the stand with me on board! The most high-speed ride I've had on a RM since three of them on route 3 decided to race each other along Croxted Road, ending with the one on which I was the sole passenger crashing into a builder's skip inconsiderately left at the side of the road.
 

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Are these OEOC* buses subject to the normal age rules for operating on TfL services?
If so who is going to want to take them on afterwards!

* Overly Expensive Overly Complicated.
 

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Are these OEOC* buses subject to the normal age rules for operating on TfL services?
If so who is going to want to take them on afterwards!

* Overly Expensive Overly Complicated.

Age of vehicles is specified in each contract. They got quite low as low-floor vehicles were introduced in quite a short timeframe but have been creeping up. Expect NBfLs to "last" a lot longer.

Apparently First have been running one in Bradford - but they want money from WYMetro to run them - they're arguing it's cheaper than putting a trolleybus in.
 

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Is it true that after all the hype about hopping on and off between stops all future conversions to the Giant Egotripper will be OPO at all times with all doors firmly closed between stops? Could it also be that routes with 'conductors' will quietly lose them gradually? Never did think they'd allow them to operate open-backed in South London: after all, knowing our reputation, we;d strip out all the fixtures and fittings between Elephant and Deptford!

The 3rd door and 2nd staircase do improve boarding times though...
 

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My understanding is that it varies at present.

Some routes have a second crew member present some of the time, or only on part of the route, and buses run driver-only the rest of the time. Some routes do not have a second crew member any of the time. When a second crew member is not present, the rear door is only opened at stops, but there is open boarding via all three stops.

Since the 'people can avoid paying their fare' was one of the arguments for the expensive abandonment of bendy buses, this seems faintly illogical...
 

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My understanding is that it varies at present.

Some routes have a second crew member present some of the time, or only on part of the route, and buses run driver-only the rest of the time. Some routes do not have a second crew member any of the time. When a second crew member is not present, the rear door is only opened at stops, but there is open boarding via all three stops.

Since the 'people can avoid paying their fare' was one of the arguments for the expensive abandonment of bendy buses, this seems faintly illogical...

Your last sentence was nicely understated. Believe Camberwell, Hackney and Bow were particular hotspots for fare evasion. so interesting that NBFL buses are now operating to all these places without a conductor, as the 38 conductors only work 'part route'. Does anyone else have a feeling that some person or persons is hoping to make Boris look a total Buffoon? Not that he is incapable of doing it all of his own accord.
 

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I suspect TfL maintained their interest in free boarding after the withdrawal of the bendy buses. The NBfL scheme has enabled TfL a way of bringing back free boarding at the same time as meeting the Mayor's manifesto commitments. Obviously you need inspectors to ensure people have tickets, same as in most European cities.
 

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I suspect TfL maintained their interest in free boarding after the withdrawal of the bendy buses. The NBfL scheme has enabled TfL a way of bringing back free boarding at the same time as meeting the Mayor's manifesto commitments. Obviously you need inspectors to ensure people have tickets, same as in most European cities.

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And that is where TfL has never got its act together. The highly effective European practices seem to be an alien concept to Tfl [presumably, the 'not invented here' approach, as usual].
 

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And that is where TfL has never got its act together. The highly effective European practices seem to be an alien concept to Tfl [presumably, the 'not invented here' approach, as usual].

I think Peter Hendy did his best to incorporate European 'best practice' but there's only so much one man can do (unless he's the Mayor).
 
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