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This post on another thread prompts me to ask if free staff travel was universal on all National Bus Company and Scottish Bus Group subsidies?
Presumably all abruptly ended upon deregulation...
I made many visits to Bristol in the mid-1980s but as I had an Eastern Counties staff pass valid throughout NBC, bus fares weren't a major factor.
 
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This post on another thread prompts me to ask if free staff travel was universal on all NBC and SBG subsidies?
As far as I'm aware, YES...
Presumably all abruptly ended upon deregulation...
No, free staff travel didn't end at de-reg... It continues to this day (I'm a driver for Stagecoach) albeit it is more fragmented than it was... We get free travel on all our own BUS services... I'm not sure about Megabus (although it is being sold off soon it remains to see if we will get any benefits with merging with Nat Ex...)

There are individual company agreements where we can travel on non Stagecoach operators but that can vary from Op-Co (Operating Company) to Op-Co...

One drawback though is that we can't use London services, presumably because of the tendering system...


The staff pass is a good benefit... I've never paid for a bus fare in over 25 years... Neither has my Mrs or my little boy...!!!

Feel free to ask anymore questions & I'll try to answer them...

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SBG passes just before deregulation were valid on all SBG bus routes, and Citylink services internally within Scotland, but not those that crossed the border (including the element within Scotland). In fact, technically they were Scottish Transport Group passes, as they were also valid on most of the Caledonian MacBrayne ferry services.
 

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As far as I'm aware, YES...

No, free staff travel didn't end at de-reg... It continues to this day (I'm a driver for Stagecoach) albeit it is more fragmented than it was... We get free travel on all our own BUS services... I'm not sure about Megabus (although it is being sold off soon it remains to see if we will get any benefits with merging with Nat Ex...)

There are individual company agreements where we can travel on non Stagecoach operators but that can vary from Op-Co (Operating Company) to Op-Co...

One drawback though is that we can't use London services, presumably because of the tendering system...


The staff pass is a good benefit... I've never paid for a bus fare in over 25 years... Neither has my Mrs or my little boy...!!!

Feel free to ask anymore questions & I'll try to answer them...

Eric
I got visions of you choosing your UK holidays based on the local bus operator!

“No love I’m not a fan of Cornwall, but Devon on the other hand, or maybe the Lake District?”
 

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Thanks for your reply. Perhaps I should have been more specific - immediately after de-reg did NBC & SBG free staff travel entitlement abruptly become limited to only the individual company the holder was employed by?

Generally yes, though neighbouring companies in many cases did deals to continue pass inter availability. And of course very quickly groups started to build up which as far as I can recollect always had group-wide staff pass availability (on buses - rail and coaches were generally more restricted)
 

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In the modern era there have still been some reciprocal agreements for staff passes. The Guildford area is/was one place between the likes of Arriva and Stagecoach, and I believe White Bus when they arrived locally and possibly even Countryliner at one stage. I believe Safeguard was also part of it, but not sure if events with Arriva affected that between the operators. EYMS and Stagecoach in Hull and out to Scunthorpe are (or certainly were pre-Go Ahead anyway) another such place, while Arriva Yorkshire staff passes could/can be used on First, Stagecoach and Transdev and vice versa.
 

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In the modern era there have still been some reciprocal agreements for staff passes. The Guildford area is/was one place between the likes of Arriva and Stagecoach, and I believe White Bus when they arrived locally and possibly even Countryliner at one stage. I believe Safeguard was also part of it, but not sure if events with Arriva affected that between the operators. EYMS and Stagecoach in Hull and out to Scunthorpe are (or certainly were pre-Go Ahead anyway) another such place, while Arriva Yorkshire staff passes could/can be used on First, Stagecoach and Transdev and vice versa.
I'm a regular user of the 350 route between Scunthorpe and Hull and even this year, I've seen East Yorkshire staff being waved on, on the Stagecoach 350 runs, but don't recall seeing any Stagecoach staff on the East Yorkshire 350s in the past few months.
 

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In Aberdeen there's still an agreement between First and Stagecoach. In fact Stagecoach drivers use the First 3/3A to get to/from Tullos Depot, likewise you'll often see First drivers getting on/off Stagecoach services outside King Street Depot.
 

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Reciprocal agreements seemed to be largely based on the enthusiasm and interest of the relevant person at a company. Some would have arrangements with numerous companies, I think City of Oxford back in the early 1990s had quite a few. There were also cases where big companies had been split up, but where passes were valid across both / all, even when owned by different groups. I think this was often done less for serving employees, but, in pre ENCTS days for retired staff who'd been "sold" it as a perk for their retirement. I remember the First Bristol and Stagecoach West agreement was ended when someone new arrived at one or other company, but was soon reinstated when it pointed out that it went back to Bristol Omnibus Company days when both were one company.

When I was at Western National there were always lots of requests for reciprocal arrangements, pretty much all of which were declined lest every busman and he family head to south Devon or Cornwall for their holidays. Such arrangements were reciprocal in theory, there would be more benefit one way than the other. Not directly buses, but I remember once coming back from Penzance to Bristol when there was a First Bus travel offer on First Rail and the train was fully loaded with Bristol area bus staff and their families!

Another variation was passes being valid on both operators on a joint service, but not more widely on the opposite company.

Finally, whatever the official arrangements, some drivers would accept anything. I've never used a pass incorrectly, but sometimes you'd get a conversation along the lines of "never seen one of those" to which I'd start to explain that it was valid, and be ready to produce the relevant page from our fare book, but would be cut short by the driver saying "but you're one of us, just sit down" or you'd get into conversation about where you worked, what you did, what ticket machines you used etc etc.
 

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Reciprocal agreements seemed to be largely based on the enthusiasm and interest of the relevant person at a company. Some would have arrangements with numerous companies, I think City of Oxford back in the early 1990s had quite a few. There were also cases where big companies had been split up, but where passes were valid across both / all, even when owned by different groups. I think this was often done less for serving employees, but, in pre ENCTS days for retired staff who'd been "sold" it as a perk for their retirement. I remember the First Bristol and Stagecoach West agreement was ended when someone new arrived at one or other company, but was soon reinstated when it pointed out that it went back to Bristol Omnibus Company days when both were one company.

When I was at Western National there were always lots of requests for reciprocal arrangements, pretty much all of which were declined lest every busman and he family head to south Devon or Cornwall for their holidays. Such arrangements were reciprocal in theory, there would be more benefit one way than the other. Not directly buses, but I remember once coming back from Penzance to Bristol when there was a First Bus travel offer on First Rail and the train was fully loaded with Bristol area bus staff and their families!
My late father was a driver with the post deregulation Southern National and in 1993 he and mother used their privilege passes to take all 4 of the family down to Cornwall for a week. This required changes of buses in Taunton, Exeter and Plymouth. The depot manager gave him a letter outlining that his pass was valid on Devon General/Western National buses (of course prior to 1983 it was all Western National).

During that week we travelled to Liskeard on the A Line (Torpoint) service and around Looe/Polperro with Hamblys. When we got on the A Line bus, Dad's PSV badge was visible and the owner noticed.... suffice to say we were told to sit down.

I think the only transport costs we had was a taxi into Looe on the Wednesday! :D

We didn't have a car in the family when I was growing up, so Dad's staff pass was in effect our private car.
 

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I got visions of you choosing your UK holidays based on the local bus operator!

“No love I’m not a fan of Cornwall, but Devon on the other hand, or maybe the Lake District?
Sometimes but not always...
 

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I recall that, when I started at Bristol Omnibus in 1970, my pass was valid only on BOC services. NBC hadn't been going for that long and, by the time I moved to Yorkshire Traction in 1973, it was an NBC-wide staff pass. My route from home in Chapeltown to work was operated jointly with Sheffield Transport and I could use either operator's bus, but only between Chapeltown and Barnsley. I wasn't supposed to use it for travel to Sheffield, even on a YT bus (although I did and conductors always accepted it!) This was of course a joint service and I expect the same conditions applied on others.
 

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There are also some local arrangements between crews of different companies, though I am not prepared to mention the one which I know of.

Cerrtain very elderly, London Transport employees, not sure if any are still about, have travel rights on ex green line services
 

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There are still a number around that have LT staff passes that include Country Bus availability - not sure how its defined now with a multitude of operators running services that could trace their lineage back to LT Country bus routes.

As for Green Line, I don't think free travel was available to all LT grades - I have a feeling that it was only supervisors and/or Managers that got it - pretty sure I have read stories about staff who were invited to a presentation at 55 Broadway were sent a special pass/ticket for the journey on Green Line to attend. Happy to be corrected on the GL availability for staff as that was a bit before my time(!).

Next time I meet up with some ex LCBS employees I will try and remember to ask the question. Green Line availability may well have changed when Country Buses became LCBS...
 
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