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Observed E1208 operating a 33 from Birmingham to Pheasey earlier his week. This is the first of the Perry Barr allocation of Electroliners I have seen in service in Birmngham. Perry Barr garage recieved a large block of BYD E400s over the last couple of years, but the final batch of the 130 Wright battery fleet are allocated and vewin delivered to Perry Barr, after the bulk of E1101 upwards have been placed at Wolverhampton.
I wonder whether this will make Perry Barr the first all electric garage in the area?

The Platinum E400MMCs seem likely to replace E400s or Volvo B7TLs elsewhere, unless any routes with Scania Omnilinks are double-decked. I saw some 07/57 reg E400s yesterday and rode an 09 reg Omnilink.
 
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I wonder whether this will make Perry Barr the first all electric garage in the area?
I don't think that is possible unless the essential single decker routes are passed to another garage. I can't remember the routes now but I regularly see Scania Omnis on routes around Pheasey / Kingstanding. I also think some E200s have moved to PB.
The Platinum E400MMCs seem likely to replace E400s or Volvo B7TLs elsewhere, unless any routes with Scania Omnilinks are double-decked. I saw some 07/57 reg E400s yesterday and rode an 09 reg Omnilink.
 

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I don't think that is possible unless the essential single decker routes are passed to another garage. I can't remember the routes now but I regularly see Scania Omnis on routes around Pheasey / Kingstanding. I also think some E200s have moved to PB.
The 28, 71 and 96 are the current single deck routes at PB garage that can't have doubles.
 

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I don't think that is possible unless the essential single decker routes are passed to another garage. I can't remember the routes now but I regularly see Scania Omnis on routes around Pheasey / Kingstanding. I also think some E200s have moved to PB.

Perry Barr used to have a small fleet of Solos, I can't recall what routes they were used on but are the E200s replacements for them?
 
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The 28, 71 and 96 are the current single deck routes at PB garage that can't have doubles.

As well as the 64, 66 and X64, so a large number of diesel single deckers will remain at Perry Barr and these will be 2011/12 Volvo B7RLE Eclipse 2s going forward. Must be noted Perry Barr had too many single deckers until recently, which would regularly turn up on busy routes at peak times, this has largely stopped in the last few months with numbers thinned out.
 

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The 28, 71 and 96 are the current single deck routes at PB garage that can't have doubles.
I had forgotten about those, embarrassingly as I rode routes 28 & 96 last Saturday.

I remember route 28 being double-deck, Fleetline from Washwood Heath. That and some other garages in Birmingham have subsequently closed.

The last I remember about route 71, it had moved from Lea Hall (upon closure) to Acocks Green. So, events must have moved on since then.
 

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I visited Birmingham the other day, first time in quite a few years. What is the ‘current’ livery that new and repainted buses are painted into, as there seemed to be various versions of grey on the go. Is Platinum still a thing or are all buses now to that standard?

Are buses still painted into liveries with the TfWM triangles, as some vehicles looked like they’d had them removed, with a red banner with a slogan on instead
 

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Grey was the worst colour imaginable. The only reason I can see my bus arriving against the dark background is the light of the destination board. The short time I had a grey car was my worst time for other people running into me.

There are still a few buses around from 20 years ago in the red and white livery when the buses looked as if they had stopped halfway through the paint shop.
 

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I visited Birmingham the other day, first time in quite a few years. What is the ‘current’ livery that new and repainted buses are painted into, as there seemed to be various versions of grey on the go. Is Platinum still a thing or are all buses now to that standard?

Are buses still painted into liveries with the TfWM triangles, as some vehicles looked like they’d had them removed, with a red banner with a slogan on instead
Platinum, the WM Red/Gold and the Coventry Blue/Gold are now superseded as images.

The livery is now battleship grey with the red (or sky blue) accent "slash". It looks ok on the new vehicles but god awful on repaints IMHO. Interior wise... haven't been on an Electroliner but the BYDs at Coventry are not to Platinum spec but ok nonetheless (apart from the rattles).
 

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Platinum, the WM Red/Gold and the Coventry Blue/Gold are now superseded as images.

The livery is now battleship grey with the red (or sky blue) accent "slash". It looks ok on the new vehicles but god awful on repaints IMHO. Interior wise... haven't been on an Electroliner but the BYDs at Coventry are not to Platinum spec but ok nonetheless (apart from the rattles).
Are they not? I always thought they were with their high-backed seats and charging ports
 

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Platinum, the WM Red/Gold and the Coventry Blue/Gold are now superseded as images.

The livery is now battleship grey with the red (or sky blue) accent "slash". It looks ok on the new vehicles but god awful on repaints IMHO. Interior wise... haven't been on an Electroliner but the BYDs at Coventry are not to Platinum spec but ok nonetheless (apart from the rattles).
Agree. Any non platimum liveried bus which is being repainted, comes out in platinum grey. Basically allover grey with silver wheels and a red diagonal sash (except in the advert box. Enviro 400s are being repainted even the old 57 plate 47xx, although some of the 14 plate 49xx still carry the penultimate red and white. The single deck Wright Eclipses in the20xx series are going grey too and the 22xx series E200s seem also to be going grey.

All new buses into the fleet are grey including the E1100-E1230 Electroliners, but I don't think these carry Platinum branding, neither do the Encoro 400 repaints from what I have seen.
 

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Mayor acts to protect West Midlands bus services as WMCA Board approves acquisition deal

Richard Parker, Mayor of the West Midlands, has acted to protect passengers and keep buses running after WMCA Board approved the acquisition of National Express’s West Midlands bus operations.


The deal follows Mobico Group, parent company of National Express, confirming its intention to derisk its bus operations as the West Midlands region continues its move towards bus franchising. This will mean greater control over routes, timetables, fares and service standards creating a more reliable, joined up and accountable bus network for local communities.


National Express is the largest bus operator in the region, accounting for around 94% of bus journeys in the West Midlands. Its regional operation includes around 4,800 staff, 1,300 buses and nine depots.


Mobico’s decision posed a significant risk to the biggest part of the region’s public transport network. Buses account for around 80% of all public transport journeys in the West Midlands, carrying around 4.6 million trips each week.


Given the scale of National Express’s operation and the importance of buses to the region, WMCA Board has approved a managed acquisition to protect passengers, staff, services, depots, fleet and the wider bus network.


Services, tickets and timetables will continue as normal during the legal and operational handover. Passengers do not need to do anything differently, the WMCA expects services to continue as normal once the handover is complete.


WMCA expects the acquisition to complete in the autumn, subject to final due diligence checks. West Midlands Bus Limited, the company established to hold the bus operations, will then operate as an arm’s length subsidiary of WMCA, with its own governance and operational management. This means day-to-day bus operations will not be brought directly into the authority while services continue and the region moves towards franchising.


WMCA will work with West Midlands Bus Limited, staff, trade unions, local authorities and partners to keep the network stable and minimise disruption for passengers.


The financial package will be funded mainly by WMCA through existing transport investment plans, with £11.5m of Government support for transaction-related costs. Pension arrangements for staff are unaffected by the transaction, and the package has been designed to protect services, maintain network stability and support the transition to franchising.


The Mayor has reaffirmed a commitment to bus franchising as the best long-term model for the region’s bus services. The WMCA Board endorsed this decision by the Mayor to franchise the bus network in May 2025 and that decision remains unchanged.


On Monday 17 August, WMCA issued the Invitation to Tender for the first tranche of the West Midlands Bus Franchising programme, marking the start of the formal procurement phase. Franchising will give WMCA greater control over routes, fares, standards and service levels, with operators running services under contract. Contracts will be awarded in the West Midlands from 2027 onwards.


In the meantime, West Midlands Bus Limited will operate during the transition to maintain continuity and stability while the new model is put in place. It will not bid for franchised routes and will support transition to the new franchised system.


Further updates will be provided to passengers, staff and stakeholders as the acquisition progresses.
 

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Mobico are in the soup (and have been for a while) and they'd already begun selling the depot sites to WMCA - I think Walsall was sold two years ago. I think they have also sold Birmingham Central for redevelopment.

WMCA were busy purchasing the other existing depots and guess discussions turned to an outright purchase. Interesting times.
 

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Mobico are in the soup (and have been for a while) and they'd already begun selling the depot sites to WMCA - I think Walsall was sold two years ago. I think they have also sold Birmingham Central for redevelopment.

WMCA were busy purchasing the other existing depots and guess discussions turned to an outright purchase. Interesting times.
Judging how vocal and anti National Express the Mayor has been from day one. I cant blame Mobico for letting him have the business. He moaned about the monopoly and funding. Lets see what he does differently. West Midlands Buses is now his problem.
 

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Mobico are in the soup (and have been for a while) and they'd already begun selling the depot sites to WMCA - I think Walsall was sold two years ago. I think they have also sold Birmingham Central for redevelopment.

WMCA were busy purchasing the other existing depots and guess discussions turned to an outright purchase. Interesting times.
It is interesting though, as I thought the initial plan was to go down the Liverpool / Manchester franchising route than outright purchasing the NXWM operation and going from there, almost akin to Lothian.
 

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It is interesting though, as I thought the initial plan was to go down the Liverpool / Manchester franchising route than outright purchasing the NXWM operation and going from there, almost akin to Lothian.
The article states that it is merely to keep the business running until franchising commences, making one wonder if NatEx were about to walk away from it all? The article also says that the new West Midlands Bus Limited will not bid for any of the franchises...
 

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Mobico are in the soup (and have been for a while) and they'd already begun selling the depot sites to WMCA - I think Walsall was sold two years ago. I think they have also sold Birmingham Central for redevelopment.

WMCA were busy purchasing the other existing depots and guess discussions turned to an outright purchase. Interesting times.
Spot on. This deal appears to leave the staff working for a zombie company which is not going to bid for franchises in WM. I guess they may get TUPE over to the successful bidder but some uncertainty going forward. Surprised how low the price was but it seems to solve a number of financial issues for Mobico.
 

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Spot on. This deal appears to leave the staff working for a zombie company which is not going to bid for franchises in WM. I guess they may get TUPE over to the successful bidder but some uncertainty going forward. Surprised how low the price was but it seems to solve a number of financial issues for Mobico.
They will TuPE over...

Its a shame, would have been a chance to do sth abit different, like Lothian I suppose...
 

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The article states that it is merely to keep the business running until franchising commences, making one wonder if NatEx were about to walk away from it all? The article also says that the new West Midlands Bus Limited will not bid for any of the franchises...
But doesn't rule out Mobico from bidding for a franchise which seems bizarre.
 

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Creating a municipal operator and then still going down the franchising route and also saying your new municipal operator won't bid for franchises is the weirdest sounding arrangement ever? Why would you pay franchise contracts to private companies when you've just bought your own public one?
 

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Creating a municipal operator and then still going down the franchising route and also saying your new municipal operator won't bid for franchises is the weirdest sounding arrangement ever? Why would you pay franchise contracts to private companies when you've just bought your own public one?
I had similar thoughts. Since the creation of new municipal operations has been allowed one of the arguments for franchising against direct operation has been the need to set up a new company from scratch, but here's an oven-ready company, as a former PM would put it. There's now going to be the politically-awkward prospect of a pro-public control mayor putting a publicly-owned company back into private hands with franchising.
 

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Creating a municipal operator and then still going down the franchising route and also saying your new municipal operator won't bid for franchises is the weirdest sounding arrangement ever? Why would you pay franchise contracts to private companies when you've just bought your own public one?

I had similar thoughts. Since the creation of new municipal operations has been allowed one of the arguments for franchising against direct operation has been the need to set up a new company from scratch, but here's an oven-ready company, as a former PM would put it. There's now going to be the politically-awkward prospect of a pro-public control mayor putting a publicly-owned company back into private hands with franchising.

There is another consideration though, and perhaps has resonance with the bins dispute. Having private sector contractors doing the operating and employing the staff, it provides a handy firebreak between the unions and the CA.

Also, if you're directly operating the activities, you are solely responsible for performance. Having a contractor that you can beat up has political advantages too.
 

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There is another consideration though, and perhaps has resonance with the bins dispute. Having private sector contractors doing the operating and employing the staff, it provides a handy firebreak between the unions and the CA.

Also, if you're directly operating the activities, you are solely responsible for performance. Having a contractor that you can beat up has political advantages too.
Valid points although more fitting of a Tory rather than Labour ethos so I think Mayor Parker is going to receive a lot of flack from his own side once the OpCo starts moving back into the private sector!
 

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Valid points although more fitting of a Tory rather than Labour ethos so I think Mayor Parker is going to receive a lot of flack from his own side once the OpCo starts moving back into the private sector!
Isn't that why he's portrayed this as a necessary safeguarding stepping in as part of the move to franchising? Look at the statements...

West Midlands Bus Limited, the company established to hold the bus operations, will then operate as an arm’s length subsidiary of WMCA, with its own governance and operational management. This means day-to-day bus operations will not be brought directly into the authority while services continue and the region moves towards franchising.
The financial package will be funded mainly by WMCA through existing transport investment plans, with £11.5m of Government support for transaction-related costs. Pension arrangements for staff are unaffected by the transaction, and the package has been designed to protect services, maintain network stability and support the transition to franchising.

The Mayor has reaffirmed a commitment to bus franchising as the best long-term model for the region’s bus services
. The WMCA Board endorsed this decision by the Mayor to franchise the bus network in May 2025 and that decision remains unchanged.

I'd say that it being constantly repeated is very much making it unambiguous that this is a temporary but necessary measure so very much laying the ground for franchising
 

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Isn't that why he's portrayed this as a necessary safeguarding stepping in as part of the move to franchising? Look at the statements...

I'd say that it being constantly repeated is very much making it unambiguous that this is a temporary but necessary measure so very much laying the ground for franchising
Yes, but a lot of people on his own side, plus the unions won't see it like that. Still, with the next Mayoral election in May 2028 and only having a small majority in 2024 he could well have a convenient escape route!

The first statement above is a red herring anyway. Even if the intention was to retain the company on a permanent basis it would still be as an arms-length limited company. Direct operation with the combined authority obtaining its own O licence would be madness.
 

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True, though i'd be surprised if they do...
That doesn't appear to be the case, with the following from the R1 article:

"Meanwhile, Mobico has confirmed it will participate in the West Midlands bus franchise bidding process, which opened yesterday."
 

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That doesn't appear to be the case, with the following from the R1 article:

"Meanwhile, Mobico has confirmed it will participate in the West Midlands bus franchise bidding process, which opened
What a bizarre set of circumstances...
 

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They will TuPE over...

Its a shame, would have been a chance to do sth abit different, like Lothian I suppose...
Please excuse my ignorance but do all staff TUPE across in these circumstances? Engineering? Commercial? Finance? Not all staff are allocated to specific garages.

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There is another consideration though, and perhaps has resonance with the bins dispute. Having private sector contractors doing the operating and employing the staff, it provides a handy firebreak between the unions and the CA.

Also, if you're directly operating the activities, you are solely responsible for performance. Having a contractor that you can beat up has political advantages too.
Agree completely. However until franchising is complete, Parker will not be able to hide behind the contractor because it (West Midlands Bus) will be 100% owned by his authority. Smoke and mirrors but I doubt he will get away with that.

Feel for the staff involved. I fear this isn't going to end well. I suspect Mobico couldn't find a buyer willing to pay £100m+.
 
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