Stonesourscotty
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Off to Stuttgart on Monday what's there to see and do public transport wise?
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My trip to Stuttgart
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Part of the U-Bahn network (a typical West German Stadtbahn, similar to Metrolink but much more street running) is the rack line from Marienplatz up to Degerloch, which has splendid views over the city basin. There are still some sections of dual gauge tramway around, but all normal services are standard gauge. There's an interesting tram museum in Bad Cannstatt, and some of the display boards are in English.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_Stadtbahn#History
The Hauptbahnhof is having a massive and controversial rebuild.
You might be lucky and spot a class 115 on the IC to Zürich, and there are a handful of 218 workings including the double headed IC to Lindau. Not sure whether there is a 103 diagram ATM.
There's also a 15in line in the Killesberg Heights park but not sure it will be open now.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuttgart_Stadtbahn#History
The Hauptbahnhof is having a massive and controversial rebuild.
You might be lucky and spot a class 115 on the IC to Zürich, and there are a handful of 218 workings including the double headed IC to Lindau. Not sure whether there is a 103 diagram ATM.
There's also a 15in line in the Killesberg Heights park but not sure it will be open now.
DaiGog
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The vast majority of DB Regio services are loco hauled, plenty of classes 111/143/146 coming in and out of the Hbf. There are plenty of IC services with 101s and 120s alongside the usual ICEs as well.
As mentioned above the Zurich ICs (Swiss stock) can drop the odd class 115 although none are booked now, these being in the hands booked for 101s and the occasional 120.
There are a few diesel hauled turns - a top and tail pair of 218s on DD stock at roughly 0800 and again around 1700, in and out on Lindau IRE services (these are otherwise 146s as far as Ulm) and two pairs on IC services - one pair comes in on IC119 from Lindau and another pair leaves on IC118 to Lindau, also IC2012/2013 to/from Oberstdorf is a third pair.
As mentioned above the Zurich ICs (Swiss stock) can drop the odd class 115 although none are booked now, these being in the hands booked for 101s and the occasional 120.
There are a few diesel hauled turns - a top and tail pair of 218s on DD stock at roughly 0800 and again around 1700, in and out on Lindau IRE services (these are otherwise 146s as far as Ulm) and two pairs on IC services - one pair comes in on IC119 from Lindau and another pair leaves on IC118 to Lindau, also IC2012/2013 to/from Oberstdorf is a third pair.
Stonesourscotty
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There appears to be some form of protest involving DB in the City Centre but i don't speak a word of German but sounded like Nein Deutche Bahn to my untrained ears and there was a 21 with a line through it in the signs??
317666
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Protest against Stuttgart 21, which is the construction of new low-level through platforms at Stuttgart Hbf and a high-speed line eastwards to Ulm.
Stonesourscotty
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That's definetely it.. very well organised protest the kind you only really get on the continent
The Main station here is simply stunning reminds me a little of elements of Sydney Central
The Main station here is simply stunning reminds me a little of elements of Sydney Central
It's a great city to travel about on the U-Bahn. Despite the title it is really only in the city centre that it's under the ground ( plus a few bits elsewhere). It does hill-climbing like no other system even without rack help. A day ticket is valid on buses too, so any gaps can be filled with those. Highly recommended. The Stuttgart 21 protest fizzled out a lot after there was a referendum in favour. The construction is well under way and there are bits of the Hauptbahnhof that are shut off as a result.
Well let me this say; Stuttgart Hbf (main building) looks like as it has been bombed in the 2nd WW. One can go to U-station Ruhbank and go to the televisiontower of Stuttgart. Stuttgart is at 245; the tower almost double in meters.
From bahnhof Oesterfeld (southwest of Stuttgart); 1 can go below the ground to the citycenter and Hbf; or take the above route with complete view of Stuttgart. But remember first stop to and from Stuttgart is Böblingen.
Stuttgart Hbf has no freight so one has to go to Ludwigsburg (to Mannheim/Karlsruhe) or Untertuerkheim (to Ulm). The freightyard is at Kornwestheim (south of Ludwigsburg), but not viewable from that station. There are 3 stations on that freight bypass line (also used for ICE Sprinter), but no trains for passengers run there.
I can asure you that you will not be bored! Today from 16 till 19 hours i count 80 departures (excluding the S-bahn!).
From bahnhof Oesterfeld (southwest of Stuttgart); 1 can go below the ground to the citycenter and Hbf; or take the above route with complete view of Stuttgart. But remember first stop to and from Stuttgart is Böblingen.
Stuttgart Hbf has no freight so one has to go to Ludwigsburg (to Mannheim/Karlsruhe) or Untertuerkheim (to Ulm). The freightyard is at Kornwestheim (south of Ludwigsburg), but not viewable from that station. There are 3 stations on that freight bypass line (also used for ICE Sprinter), but no trains for passengers run there.
I can asure you that you will not be bored! Today from 16 till 19 hours i count 80 departures (excluding the S-bahn!).
Stonesourscotty
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Starting to realise how poorly signposted Germany is between u Bahn S Bahn and other modes... makes Manchester airport look good!
Surprised at that from my experience of the city last June. Except perhaps at the Hbf.
Am not so sure that someone is negative about Stuttgart. Stuttgart has hills; how high are the hills in the Manchester area. You have no right to judge us on the mainland. Elevation Manchester is at 38 meters; wow, that is high!
Think something has got lost in translation here? The reference to Manchester is about the (lack of) direction signs at its airport.
Stonesourscotty
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I Love Stuttgart it's a great city very quirky and interesting closest i've come to my favorite city Melbourne it's just badly sign posted in places for the public transport. Today i did the Pig Museum complete with a Tram Pig!! and the Porsche Museum
Stonesourscotty
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i think as a city Stuttgarts sign posts hold it down from entering the top twenty cities in the world as other than that i found no other reason that that to move there.
Does anyone have a English language complaint number for Deutsche Bahn?
Can anyone tell me the difference between a 423 and a 430? i found the 423's more scruffy and on more scruffy lines is that a fair comment?
Does anyone have a English language complaint number for Deutsche Bahn?
Can anyone tell me the difference between a 423 and a 430? i found the 423's more scruffy and on more scruffy lines is that a fair comment?
I'd be inclined to contact the Kundencenter by e-mail.
The 430s are 10-15 years younger than the 423s, which I think are being slowly refurbished.
From Wiki:
The Class 423 EMU is a light-weight articulated electric railcar for S-Bahn commuter networks in Germany. The train has similar dimensions to its predecessor, the Class 420 EMU, but is significantly lighter and has one large passenger compartment, while that of the 420 is divided into three parts. The 423 additionally has six doors in each carriage (three on each side), which is down from eight on the 420 (four on each side). They are numbered from 423 001 to 423 462. Both S-Bahn's Munich and Frankfurt have ordered Class 423s since 1998 and were delivered between 1999 and 2004.
The Class 423 EMU is a light-weight articulated electric railcar for S-Bahn commuter networks in Germany. The train has similar dimensions to its predecessor, the Class 420 EMU, but is significantly lighter and has one large passenger compartment, while that of the 420 is divided into three parts. The 423 additionally has six doors in each carriage (three on each side), which is down from eight on the 420 (four on each side). They are numbered from 423 001 to 423 462. Both S-Bahn's Munich and Frankfurt have ordered Class 423s since 1998 and were delivered between 1999 and 2004.
317666
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And the 430s are an updated version of the 423, delivered in the last few years to replace the remaining 420s in Stuttgart and Frankfurt. I find that the 430s have more comfortable seats than the 423s, as well as having air conditioning which I don't think the 423s do.
Stonesourscotty
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I found the 423's confined to The S6/60 and the 430's on the more popular routes
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