My idea for deltic 55023?

[lordhinton]

not my pic but >>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alternativerailways/4974744527/in/photostream/

looks cracking!

thanks

dan

 

[WL113]

Perhaps they could replicate the real '23rd Production Deltic', which really is DP2 (actually it might have been one of the earlier built bodies, but you get the point I am sure).

DP2 was a superb locomotive. It was better in some ways than the subsequent class 50 machines.

 

[60163]

Get the BDP some damn class 20 bogies!

 

[MK Tom]

I cant see another Preserved Diesel class of loco being built from scratch in today's climate.

What about 10000/10001? That project seems to be going incredibly well.

My choices for a new build other than '10002' which I can't wait for would be a class 41 warship, or perhaps a 21/29, and Falcon (53002?).

 

[Deltic1]

not my pic but >>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alternativerailways/4974744527/in/photostream/

looks cracking!

thanks

dan

Brilliant! it doesnt look quite like a deltic when its not in deltic livery!!!

 

[Phil6219]

not my pic but >>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alternativerailways/4974744527/in/photostream/

looks cracking!

thanks

dan

Last year at the ELR Deltic Gathering I saw a model Deltic in that livery and happened to be 55022 as well. It was very nicely done but definitely not my cup of tea.

As for making a new one, I'm game but only if it was to introduce them back into squadron service so no not really...

As for 55023 how about "Red Rum"?

Phil

 

[Deltic1]

I once saw a Hornby Deltic (55022) in virgin livery very strange!!

 

[Mvann]

Somebody years ago did an article in railway modeller and painted a deltic in intercity colours complete with a stag on the side.

 

[Deltic1]

I recently went to the fab 4 gala at barrow hill and i saw the baby deltic project, in a siding with covers over the top of it.

 

[Phil6219]

I was told at Railfest that 55002 is expected to return to mainline service this year with a railtour booked for the end of the year - but the tour has not been announced yet. I was also told that Alycidon is coming along nicely as well, someone mentioned the end of next month.

Phil

 

[The Barlow Boy]

DP2 was effectively a 50 in a 55 bodyshell with extra vents wasn't it?Could be re-created easily enough using one of the many remaining 50s and the surviving cabs from 55 008 and 55 021...





( Post not to be taken too seriously! )

Yes it was. The Eastern Region of B.R. originally ordered twenty three Deltics but the order was cut back to twenty two. English-Electric were looking jealously at the proliferation of class 47s and, wanting to get in on the type 4 market and having a 2,700 hp engine* under development used the extra bodyshell to house it. DP2 could always be picked out of a class 55 line-up due to the class 50 type radiater panels in the side and - as you've mentioned - the vents.

* This was an excellent example of diesel engine development. That 2,700 hp engine started life at 1,600 hp in the LMS's 10000 + 10001, went up to 2,000hp in the class 40, went up again to 2,700hp in the class 50, finally being developed up to 3,520hp but de-rated to 3,250 for rail use. So, in about thirty years it's power had been more than doubled.

 

[gazthomas]

I read once that 47523 was considered to be the 23rd Deltic as it was a great substitute for s class 55.

Very funny!

 

[NightStar]

Oh Come on, No one mention Pete Watermen's gas turbine? I would love to see that loco rebuilt into a working turbine locomotive. Although a build of one of the gone diesel hydraulics probably has a better chance of happening?

I think it is a shame that BR did not preserve the 4-6-2 turbine. British Rail GT3.


Anyone have a photo of one of the Class 37/6 units with a Nightstar test train I could kindly use as a avatar? Or maybe 37167 towing a string of the cars to a storage facility. Mod of Kent I think it was?: roll:

Robert

 

[Johnuk123]

I think it is a shame that BR did not preserve the 4-6-2 turbine. British Rail GT3.
Robert

What an engine that was.

 

[jopsuk]

Tragic that such things weren't kept as exhibits. I mean, quite right that it never got further than that - the double cab design of diesels make a heck of a lot of sense; no point in making life difficult with the limited visibility of the centre cab.

On which note, it's a pity Bulleid's "Leader" was cut up

 

[sprinterguy]

Anyone have a photo of one of the Class 37/6 units with a Nightstar test train I could kindly use as a avatar? Or maybe 37167 towing a string of the cars to a storage facility. Mod of Kent I think it was?: roll:

I'm not sure that the EPS 37/6s actually ever got to work with the Nightstar stock: They worked a small number of trial trips right after they were converted with the generator cars they were intended to work with, but I have never come across any pictures of 37/6s with Nightstar stock.

 

[matt]

I was told at Railfest that 55002 is expected to return to mainline service this year with a railtour booked for the end of the year - but the tour has not been announced yet. I was also told that Alycidon is coming along nicely as well, someone mentioned the end of next month.

Phil

Alycidon is booked to work Kings Cross to Edinburgh one way on 25th July. http://www.a1steam.com/index.php?op...cle&id=869:the-elizabethan&catid=1&Itemid=123

 

[Bevan Price]

Tragic that such things weren't kept as exhibits. I mean, quite right that it never got further than that - the double cab design of diesels make a heck of a lot of sense; no point in making life difficult with the limited visibility of the centre cab.

On which note, it's a pity Bulleid's "Leader" was cut up

As an example of how not to design a steam loco ? A step too far by Bulleid, after his flawed Pacifics and the superb (but ugly) Q1 0-6-0's. Even if Leader had worked, I think it would have been hard to get a crew to endure the working conditions. (Extremely hot, I read somewhere...)

 

[D841 Roebuck]

ISTR that 47525 was the strong-running Brush 4 which was favoured as cover for Deltic diagrams in the late 70s and early 80s.

As far as building a new one goes - there are better potential projects (D605, 10204, D6358, etc). If someone does build one, then I remember a stroppy racehorse called Vodkatini which tended to win on the odd occasion when he didn't unseat and savage his rider before the start. And the name would be suitably un-pc!

 

[NightStar]

The photo I was thinking of was of 37167 in mainline blue hauling a short consist of the Nightstock through Heath in 1997. I had found the photo on the web about two years ago I guess it was now? I just can't find the site now to ask permission to use the photo as an avatar. So I would go for a nice photo of the 37/6 units instead for now if anyone is willing to share?

Robert

 

[Phil6219]

Cheers Matt, looks like I'm going to the East Coast again next month

Vodkatini, now that is a name That gives me an idea, could DRS call their new Class 68s the "Drinks Class" and give them names associated with drinks...

Which reminds me, 47283 was called "Johnnie Walker" Picture at C47 website

Phil

 

[jopsuk]

As an example of how not to design a steam loco ? A step too far by Bulleid, after his flawed Pacifics and the superb (but ugly) Q1 0-6-0's. Even if Leader had worked, I think it would have been hard to get a crew to endure the working conditions. (Extremely hot, I read somewhere...)

Very much as example of how not to do it- but also as a monument to trying something different. In the same way, the GT3 was a superb example of how not to design a non-steam locomotive.

 

[BestWestern]

Whilst I can't say that I would throw my support behind a new-build Deltic, it would be enormously satisfying to see a modern day manufacturer inject some of the same level of design flair into a new product. The current loco scene in the UK is unbearably dull, an endless see of bland yankee washing machines punctuated only by the thankfully high number of classic locos still earning their living with some of the smaller outfits. The Deltics were a fine example not only of quality engineering internally, but also of an impressive exterior design to match. Why must the modern scene be so devoid of any class or style? If the truly awful look of the Class 70 is what we now consider stylish then God help us all!

 

[NightStar]

You know what? I live right here in the country where the company that is responsible for the Class 70 is located. You would think that a comment like that would be offensive? But I could not agree more with you. The scene over here is just as dull with SD70ACE units, and GE Gevo units all over the place. Atleast in Britain you guys are much more preservation oriented. More than I can say for the US preservation scene. We seem hell bent on scrapping everything historic these days, which makes those of us who appreciate older power very sad indeed. :cry:

Robert

 

[barnet_fair]

Why must the modern scene be so devoid of any class or style?

I think you could ask this of most modern British culture to be honest!!

 

[BestWestern]

You know what? I live right here in the country where the company that is responsible for the Class 70 is located. You would think that a comment like that would be offensive? But I could not agree more with you. The scene over here is just as dull with SD70ACE units, and GE Gevo units all over the place. Atleast in Britain you guys are much more preservation oriented. More than I can say for the US preservation scene. We seem hell bent on scrapping everything historic these days, which makes those of us who appreciate older power very sad indeed. :cry:

Robert

My apologies, I should have used a more endearing term to describe you good folks over the water We do have a really quite incredible preservation scene over here, and an awful lot of classic traction still at work every day. Sorry to hear that things aren't so proactive in your part of the world
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I think you could ask this of most modern British culture to be honest!!

I would have to agree! :cry:

 

[LE Greys]

An interesting example of what could be by Owen Hodgson

http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/photo.php?66001_EWS.jpg
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As for a new Deltic, while I'd love to see a lot more loco-haulage on passenger trains in this country, reconstructing a Deltic would seem a bit pointless. A Deltic-equivalent, say a Co-Co 125mph passenger loco, would go down very nicely. A pity it can't be incorporated into IEP as a more-flexible alternative to bi-mode.

 

[Deltic1]

I think it is a shame that BR did not preserve the 4-6-2 turbine. British Rail GT3.

it would have been good if GT3 was Preserved even if the turbine was removed like 18000.

 

[NightStar]

It's a shame the turbine was removed from 18000. I wonder if one could find an exact match turbine and electrical system for the purpose of restoring the unit for excursions once and awhile? Certainly the noise and pollution would be a concern for sure. But for historic purposes maybe some type of waver or something could be issued for the engine? Allowing 18000 to operate again?

Robert

 

[BestWestern]

An interesting example of what could be by Owen Hodgson

http://www.fictitiousliveries.co.uk/photo.php?66001_EWS.jpg

I have to say that I don't think that's an enormous improvement, though I am in awe of this guy's photoshopping skills!