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My design for Deep Tube Program Stock

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Nym, could you show the the position of those signs so that I can judge how can the windows be changed?

I tried to add as much viewing area as possible, if changes are needed I can find a way to do so.




The whole concept behind this. The articulated consist. Size of doors and cars have been changed and may be changed again.

 
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Not without releasing photos into the public domain that I rather I didn't.

It's not just signage and signalling that's the issue (but this is at all heights on the DTP as this includes the Central, Piccadilly and Bakerloo Lines) but the view of the platforms on approach to a station on the off side that is very poor, as well as general vision forwards. This does seem to be a very clostrphobic cab, even compared with 1992TS.
 

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Well Nym, if the driver can change to the centre of the cab, would that make a difference? It's because I'm thinking of making a instrument panel that can slide or be mounted in either side of the cab and at the centre. How I'm going to do it though will depend of the size and number of instruments and if centred cabs are allowed on the LU. (The tendency lately over here has been to have the panel in the centre of the cabin.)

Another test regarding the big doors. I have to test the set in a rail simulator to check if the size of the cars is correct or if it should be shorter.

 

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One point to consider with using articulated stock is maintenance. With cars with their own bogies, you can uncouple them and lift one at a time. With articulated stock it gets more complicated and you would probably need to lift a train in one go. Not an insurmountable problem, the technology exists (just ask Hull trains ;) ) but one to consider in your proposal.
 

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don't many new depots have whole-train lift facilities? Doesn't LU now have at least one for the S-Stock?
 

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Before adding any details to the interiors, I want to make sure of how the cars behave on curves and curved platforms. But in the overall it seems pretty much ready to be included in my portfolio.





 

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If you need such large sections of metal for strength, I wonder if you could do something clever by using cameras and having a flexible OLED panel/film on the inside to show the areas blocked?

Rather futuristic stuff, and clearly a potential maintenance nightmare, but there have to be some innovative solutions that could get rid of blind spots.

Otherwise, what about moulded, toughened, glass that is curved and can do away with some of the side pillars - strengthened in some other way?
 

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Doesn't newer stock have monitors to show the platform anyway, operating from platform mounted cameras?
 

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I think the destination display needs to be bigger and should be in the traditional location at the top.
 

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Yeah, I'd swap the displays around.

For lines where more than one line runs (e.g. H&C/Circle/Met) I really think you could use multi-coloured LEDs to make it even clearer. Then have white LEDs on a darker background, and LEDs off for light backgrounds.

I'd also have the line name in text too, for the benefit of those who are colour blind or don't recognise the lines by colour!
 

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Yeah, I'd swap the displays around.

For lines where more than one line runs (e.g. H&C/Circle/Met) I really think you could use multi-coloured LEDs to make it even clearer. Then have white LEDs on a darker background, and LEDs off for light backgrounds.

I'd also have the line name in text too, for the benefit of those who are colour blind or don't recognise the lines by colour!

You'll find that dark in a sea of bright LEDs won't work as the eye will blend them together due to the way light scatters from the junction and any lens formation I've seen.
 

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I did think that might be a problem. However if you used a higher resolution or something like an OLED panel then I think it would be far better than large LEDs.
 

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I did think that might be a problem. However if you used a higher resolution or something like an OLED panel then I think it would be far better than large LEDs.

Or just have a larger or seperate panels for...

Line, Destination and Train Number... (Ya know, like on the front of the S Stock)
 

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Not sure if this is the right thing to do. There are still other solutions to exploit before saying how the final design will look like.

Right now I'm trying to make a bogey that can fit in the tight space to be at the same height as the platforms and for such I needed to either reduce the diameter of the wheels, or tilt them to find more space for bigger diameters. I tried to go for a Talgo approach so that I could handle the fourth rail clearance with some more freedom between running rails.

Being unexperienced with 3rd and 4rth rail is a bit of a inconvenience for someone who normaly deals with overhead lines.



I'm thinking of a dot matrix indicator for the inside that stands in the door hall. It should tell the destination, next station, time, temperature and which door will open or where is the next available door (in case one door is broken or the platform is too short).

Doors will be of two leafs, each one made of an aluminium framework and either glass or a transparente polymer. The renderings don't clearly show that though.

The interior is still under planning and will depend on if the cars are either the right lenght or too long. I'm thinking about a double longitudinal + transversal seating, with the last more to the ends of the consist.

If a particular car needs to be maintained, each suspended car will have two joints for a dolly to be placed.


Also, somewhere next week I'll be showing footage of the train running on Train Simulator 2014 along the Isle of Wight and London to Brighton lines.
 
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If you tilt the wheels like that, you'll need to adjust the profile angle to match the railhead, surely?

However...

Would it be feasilble to have a raised floor area above the wheels at the sides only, similar to how it is done on busses? Remember to allow for the effect of curves, though.
 

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If you tilt the wheels like that, you'll need to adjust the profile angle to match the railhead, surely?

However...

Would it be feasilble to have a raised floor area above the wheels at the sides only, similar to how it is done on busses? Remember to allow for the effect of curves, though.

That's already done on the older tube stock units, it's called seating ;)
 

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Ah, right.




I see that once again I've had a spelling mistake immortalised in a quote! *facepalm*
 

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Here's something I came across while viewing the Super Structures Documentary about the Jubilee Line Extension.

The Space Train Concept was an articulated, small wheel Tube train that was being studied back in the 90's.

Surprisingly for me, the concept has some distinctive details that my concept is trying to look for almost at the time I was nothing more than a mere baby!

Here's a gallery of the mockup in the Acton Depot: http://www.flickr.com/photos/mackenzieblu/sets/72157600886806875/

The bogey (seems to be a 3 wheel Jacobs type):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/stephenk1977/108328169/in/set-1617237/
 
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