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Music trains - normal service or special service

Should music trains be special additional trains?

  • Yes run additional trains as music trains not timetabled services

    Votes: 13 34.2%
  • No use existing trains on any line as music trains

    Votes: 8 21.1%
  • No use existing trains but only very lightly used ones as music trains

    Votes: 17 44.7%

  • Total voters
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northwichcat

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Music trains were originally introduced for lines such as the Penistone line to attract people to use their local train services.

However, now they operate in the evening on lines which already get a healthy number of passengers and I've just noticed some complaints and pictures were posted on Twitter last week showing a packed Northern 150 with some people complaining about having to put up with folk music. I'm not sure which service this was.

So should music trains be special trains in addition to the current service?
 
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HYPODERMIC

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Wow, "music trains"? Never heard of them, but they sound fascinating! What lines use them so far? Is it only Penistone?
 

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I've seen a few on the Marston Vale Line in the last few years, I'm sure. Also think Northern used to run a few between Whitby and Middlesbrough.

Not my cup of tea really...
 

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The bigger problem Northern have is the Rail Ale Trail, which means that 99% of trains on weekends/Bank Holidays between Huddersfield and Man Vic are packed. Ideally you'd stick another unit onto these services but we all know that there aren't any going round.
 

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Hope Valley has one from each end as far as I'm aware. I've played on the Sheffield to Edale one in the past, and I'm pretty sure there's one that starts from the Manchester end too (on a different day).
 

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Cant see how it would as there will probably always be people who wouldnt like the music played, that and a lot of people have iPods of MP3's now.

If it was done, chances are they would have to do a "Music-Free Zone" for a carriage for those who wouldnt want to listen.
 

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the 10:36 a.m. Manchester to Rose Hill last Saturday had a trio aboard as part of the opening of the Marple Festival. That was a pacer.

Folk trains sometimes run between Manchester and Edale

http://www.folktrain.org.uk/
 

AlterEgo

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If it was done, chances are they would have to do a "Music-Free Zone" for a carriage for those who wouldnt want to listen.

I can see it happening on a 153! :lol: Imagine a 153 going round the Cumbrian Coast line with folk music playing for the three hours.....Aaaarrrrghhhh!!!!
 

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Wouldnt surprise me if they advertise a music free zone on the roof of the 153 - then advertise it as a "peaceful and relaxing journey with good views" :lol:
 
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AlterEgo

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the 10:36 a.m. Manchester to Rose Hill last Saturday had a trio aboard as part of the opening of the Marple Festival. That was a pacer.

I have been critical of people breaking out of trains in dire circumstances in the past - but I'd like to revise my opinion! :D

Hell on Earth! <D
 

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I can see it happening on a 153! :lol: Imagine a 153 going round the Cumbrian Coast line with folk music playing for the three hours.....Aaaarrrrghhhh!!!!

Doesn't usually work like that. They'd usually play part of the journey, then alight and continue to play in a pub nearby the station they alight at then return on a later train in the opposite direction.
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Here's a couple of publicly accessible photos of music trains I've found via Google:
http://www.mcrua.org.uk/chairmansblog/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/21072010411.jpg
http://www.marple-uk.com/pics/edale.jpg
 

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I'm pleased to say, I have never travelled on a music train and I doubt that I ever will, though obviously it would depend to some extent on the music. There is little chance of conveying a complete symphony orchestra and chorus for a performance of Beethoven's Ninth though.
 

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Folk music has no place on a train, everyone knows it's heavy metal...


I'll get my coat
 

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Wasn't there once a Eurostar night train to Switzerland which had one carriage as a nightclub?
 

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Nobody should ever have to put up with unsolicited Folk Music at anytime in anyplace !

Hear, hear !

I once had the misfortune to be a train from Chinley which picked up these 'music' train people at Edale. Give me football supporters any time.
 

Tomonthetrain

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Folk music has no place on a train, everyone knows it's heavy metal...


I'll get my coat

Now thats an idea. Wonder if Delain fancy doing a gig on a Voyager. Me driving of course !!

On a Penzance - Edinburgh run...better than hearing the adjacent kids screaming! :)
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Wouldnt surprise me if they advertise a music free zone on the roof of the 153 - then advertise it as a "peaceful and relaxing journey with good views" :lol:

Mmmm...(strokes long beard)...what a nice money making scheme!
 

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Wasn't there once a Eurostar night train to Switzerland which had one carriage as a nightclub?

That was The Snow Train which started at Gare du Nord and went to Bourg-St-Maurice Had couchettes and a disco car, there was a Eurostar connection to it. It didn't run last season.
 

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There's this coming up soon on the ELL, which, given that it goes via New Cross, Dalston and Shoreditch is likely to be truly awful, all oversized glasses with no lenses, moustaches and retro 80s clothing. WORSE than folk music.
 

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The local rail users group used the 1917 Leeds-Ribblehead and 21xx return to Skipton about 10 years ago on 3 friday nights in the summer one year. They were very popular with a special £2 fare.

The service was strengthened using the set off a Morecambe that terminated at Skipton back then. And the passengers were also allowed to stay onboard while the train crossed Ribblehead Viaduct to change tracks at Blea Moor.
 

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I'm a bit disappointed at the generally negative attitude displayed towards Northern and a select few other operators providing some exposure for the traditional music of these shores, and taking the initiative to bring something different and potentially memorable to what were some of their more lightly loaded trains. There's a lot more to folk music these days than the almost unbearably cringeworthy finger-in-the-ear woollen jersey stuf that the genre has has been lumbered with the unfortunate image of.

The publicly popular oppression of the English tradition has gone on long enough! Power to the mandolin and the morris dancer! :lol::lol:

However, on balance the TOCs undertaking such activities should ensure that these music trains are provided with a minimum of a two car unit, to give those not interested in the music somewhere to escape to as I imagine that it would be a bit of a daunting and unwelcome surprise for the unitiated not expecting a live music performance on their train.

Ideally, with patronage on many of these music trains and rural services in general at quite a high level nowadays, Northern would bolt on an additional 153 to the usual unit in order to act as the "music train" on services designated at such: If, for example, Northern did a monthly music train across four/five different lines at the rate of one a week (Hope Valley, Penistone, Whitby and the Tyne Valley, and possibly the S&C/Cumbrian Coast), then they would essentially have to source a single "wandering 153" (Though in practice it might not be the same unit every week) to act as the music train around the North.

However, if it ever happens, until the time comes that Northern have a bit of slack in their fleet after catering for all the existing capacity pressures, this isn't realistic when Northern need every unit they can get to increase capacity on the most heavily used services around their network.

But...if we're talking about really ideal worlds here, then what I would love to see would be the music trains formed of three/four pressure ventilated mark 2s and hauled by a Type 2/Type 3 diesel sourced either from a local preserved line and giving special dispensation from NR to run over a particular stretch of NR metals (The NYMR already have a 25 cleared to run as far as Battersby Junction on the Whitby branch, all you'd need to do would be to clear it as far as Middlesborough...) or from one of the established spot-hire/charter operators (DRS, WCRC), operating an additional diagram so that a handful of return trips operate across the course of the day calling at the principal stations only, with a buffet acting as a real ale bar. :D Ok, I know that that's not at all realistic, but I was only suggesting it in an ideal world, and heck, if it provided an additional handful of services across the course of the day then I'd be reasonably happy with a bog standard 156 doing the same.
 

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How about Last Shadow Puppets with support from London Metropolitan Symphony Orchestra on a very quiet train. That'd fill up the empty space.
 

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I am no great fan of music on trains, whether it be folk, rap or listening to other people's personal music devices! Not everyone is going to like waht is going on, an dit i sbound to be a nuisance for some.
 
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