I'm watching the Celeb Race Across the World series on BBC. This week the competitors had to get to Berlin. One pair paid the full whack ICE fare to get from Munich to Berlin. That has left them rather short of funds for Scandinavia. I wondered if they could have done that journey on the €49 ticket, what combination of trains they would have needed and what the time penalty might have been compared with ICE
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Munich to Berlin for the €49 fare?
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Certainly possible, takes about 9.5 to 10 hours if all connections work, but the DB website shows fares from €44, so slightly cheaper. But when was this filmed?
It looks as if it was filmed last winter. Christmas decorations in Prague.
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They probably wouldn't have wanted the time penalty. I see that the ICE journey takes about 4 to 4.5 hours
johncrossley
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It would probably not have been practical to get the 49 euro ticket anyway as it comes as a subscription. The Quer-durchs-Land-Ticket existed then and still exists now, and for two people it is only 51 euro.
The D-ticket requires a mobile phone does it not, something which the contestants do not have.
If course the whole thing for every team could have been completed much quicker and cheaper by rail for the most part. The mind boggles why Harry and Emma caught the Budapest - Przemysl train as far as Krakow rather than wait for the direct train to Berlin, or change in Prague...
If course the whole thing for every team could have been completed much quicker and cheaper by rail for the most part. The mind boggles why Harry and Emma caught the Budapest - Przemysl train as far as Krakow rather than wait for the direct train to Berlin, or change in Prague...
It can also be obtained in smartcard format, if bought at staffed points of sale.
duesselmartin
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Not all operators or Verbünde offer that. So enquire beforehand.
As said, for a once off journey you can get cheaper deals.
The Quer durchs Land ticket has an additional restructuon Mondays to Fridays. Valid from 9 am only.
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DB ONLY sells the 49€/monthly as on fones. Some outdated companies even still seem to offer paper tickets with QR-code. It seems this has to finish by 31/12. My own chipcard (issued by ASEAG-Aachen) still cannot be read in most non-NRW buses etc. On hvv.de (Hamburg Verbund)-always mentioned as being best set up to foreign accounts (I think it even takes PayPal payments) it can start right away, but I think you have to hold it for at least 1 full calender month before being able to cancel (before the 10th of that full month).
Note that back to original Q: ist very, very easy via bahn.de- travelplanner for this and any other trip to check times- in the /en/ version (I just tried, I always use the german) set ´mode of transport´ to regional only.
The 44€ QuerDurchsLand ticket is on mo-fr only valid from 9.00. The travelplanner will show that fare if it applies.
Note that back to original Q: ist very, very easy via bahn.de- travelplanner for this and any other trip to check times- in the /en/ version (I just tried, I always use the german) set ´mode of transport´ to regional only.
The 44€ QuerDurchsLand ticket is on mo-fr only valid from 9.00. The travelplanner will show that fare if it applies.
As mentioned before, in the HVV switch app, you can still cancel at the end of the month, as long as you do it before the 10th, also if you only have a Deutschlandticket for part of that month.
LNW-GW Joint
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In the November Modern Railways (Europe View p85), there a piece on funding problems for the longer term use of the D-Ticket.
The present setup was agreed between the federal and state governments on a temporary basis for 2023, and they are now arguing about how the scheme can continue.
The issues are about the impact of the scheme on federal and state budgets, with the federal level refusing to provide extra funds which impacts the states.
Among other things, there is no consistency in selling the ticket, and some states (eg Hamburg) have incentives which have captured many of the sales, but the ticket is being used in other states at their cost.
As a "go anywhere" ticket there is no accountability for actual journeys made.
General rail price rises of 8-9% have not been reflected in the D-ticket price.
Statistics show that while rail travel has increased, revenue has grown more slowly which suggests people are reducing their rail spend with the D-ticket.
It seems only 8% of D-ticket holders are new to public transport (the €9 version attracted 44% new users in 2022).
Apparently there is a summit meeting between state and federal officials to try and find a way forward for 2024.
But at the least, the €49 monthly charge is likely to increase, possibly quite sharply.
The federal level also wants national conditions and e-sales by phone only, all of which is unpopular at state level.
The present setup was agreed between the federal and state governments on a temporary basis for 2023, and they are now arguing about how the scheme can continue.
The issues are about the impact of the scheme on federal and state budgets, with the federal level refusing to provide extra funds which impacts the states.
Among other things, there is no consistency in selling the ticket, and some states (eg Hamburg) have incentives which have captured many of the sales, but the ticket is being used in other states at their cost.
As a "go anywhere" ticket there is no accountability for actual journeys made.
General rail price rises of 8-9% have not been reflected in the D-ticket price.
Statistics show that while rail travel has increased, revenue has grown more slowly which suggests people are reducing their rail spend with the D-ticket.
It seems only 8% of D-ticket holders are new to public transport (the €9 version attracted 44% new users in 2022).
Apparently there is a summit meeting between state and federal officials to try and find a way forward for 2024.
But at the least, the €49 monthly charge is likely to increase, possibly quite sharply.
The federal level also wants national conditions and e-sales by phone only, all of which is unpopular at state level.
DeverseSam
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Thank you for posting the summary of the article. What does e-sales by phone mean?
LNW-GW Joint
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Apparently some states allow you to buy a paper ticket.
I assume it means purchase of an e-ticket via a single mobile app, removing all the currently separate sales channels.
Flixbus might have been the answer to the original question, depending on price on the day of course.
On Deutschlandticket, from German news the next federal-Land meeting mentioned by LNW-GW is on 06/11. That may not resolve the problem (in Germany everything seems to lead to another meeting, sometimes to decide the conditions for yet another meeting).
Numbers: currently 1.5bn, annual, from each of Bund and Länder, extra costs split between them. The operators association, VDV, say they need an extra 1bn in 2024. As fares go up 8% or so in January more people will switch so they suggest Dlt increases to 59 per month to avoid this.
Total subsidy of roughly 4bn annually divided by 13m users suggests it is not insoluble. Per current user that is 300 annually so 25 per month extra so price 59-75 per month could eliminate direct subsidy (usage would fall as some revert to cheaper local seasons).
Note that is only the Deutschlandticket direct subsidy. Overall public transport subsidy, regional transport is a Land not Bund problem but partly from central taxation, is a headache for yet another string of meetings.
Klimaticket, which gives all trains not just local but in a smaller country, works out about 91 per month so it looks as if the clever Austrians picked a sustainable price from the outset.
On Deutschlandticket, from German news the next federal-Land meeting mentioned by LNW-GW is on 06/11. That may not resolve the problem (in Germany everything seems to lead to another meeting, sometimes to decide the conditions for yet another meeting).
Numbers: currently 1.5bn, annual, from each of Bund and Länder, extra costs split between them. The operators association, VDV, say they need an extra 1bn in 2024. As fares go up 8% or so in January more people will switch so they suggest Dlt increases to 59 per month to avoid this.
Total subsidy of roughly 4bn annually divided by 13m users suggests it is not insoluble. Per current user that is 300 annually so 25 per month extra so price 59-75 per month could eliminate direct subsidy (usage would fall as some revert to cheaper local seasons).
Note that is only the Deutschlandticket direct subsidy. Overall public transport subsidy, regional transport is a Land not Bund problem but partly from central taxation, is a headache for yet another string of meetings.
Klimaticket, which gives all trains not just local but in a smaller country, works out about 91 per month so it looks as if the clever Austrians picked a sustainable price from the outset.
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