Multiple ECML Issues between Newark-Peterborough (28/11/2023)

[Banham7]

Not been a great start to the evening. 1E19 801221 has hit an obstruction and its nosecone needs tending to between Grantham and Peterborough, and now services are queueing up in what appears to be a separate incident near Newark Flat Crossing. Don't know what the odds are of two possible incidents within such a short timeframe in a short section!

 

[800001]

Not been a great start to the evening. 1E19 801221 has hit an obstruction and its nosecone needs tending to between Grantham and Peterborough, and now services are queueing up in a separate incident near Newark Flat Crossing. Don't know what the odds are of two incidents within such a short timeframe in a short section!

1E19 on the move with the trains in the area also on the move.
Due to volume of service in the area, multiple services have got ‘check pantograph’ alerts. This also caused the OHL to trip, signaller also then needed to speak to multiple drivers. Whilst they also seek confirmation from maintenance that units are ok these incur a delay.

It’s all due to the 1E19 issue.

 

[JustPassingBy]

Please forgive the basic question - but what is a "check pantograph" alert - and why if the new nosecone was the issue would a pantograph check be needed?
Is this basically saying the power supply in the area was under stress due to the volume of trains in that area - and as a result a low power condition developed, which caused the trains to alert that there may be a problem with the pantograph?
If this is a known problem, why were so many trains were allowed into the area? Not saying anyone did anything wrong, just curious whether this is difficult to predict or there was no choice but to stack them in the area?
Is this issue unique to the ECML? I know the ECML is generally regarded as having been electrified on the cheap by BR, so is this another consequence, or would modern OHLE on other lines also be vulnerable in the same way?

 

[800001]

Please forgive the basic question - but what is a "check pantograph" alert - and why if the new nosecone was the issue would a pantograph check be needed?
Is this basically saying the power supply in the area was under stress due to the volume of trains in that area - and as a result a low power condition developed, which caused the trains to alert that there may be a problem with the pantograph?
If this is a known problem, why were so many trains were allowed into the area? Not saying anyone did anything wrong, just curious whether this is difficult to predict or there was no choice but to stack them in the area?
Is this issue unique to the ECML? I know the ECML is generally regarded as having been electrified on the cheap by BR, so is this another consequence, or would modern OHLE on other lines also be vulnerable in the same way?

A train hit an object, in this case a large deer, caused damage to 1E19, as a result all trains were brought to a stand.
In one section there were a large quantity of trains when they drew power it tripped the OHL, it regained power instantly, but the 80X fleet when lose power get a check pan alert as the train thinks something has happened which may of damaged the pantograph ie OHL damage.
When that alert occurs drivers need to contact there maintenance provider, and also when a trip the signaller needs to contact each driver.

 

[JustPassingBy]

Thank you

 

[Eastern Farmer]

Is this still affecting things today or is there a different incident to this going on?

 

[800001]

Is this still affecting things today or is there a different incident to this going on?

There was a deer strike involving 1D13 between Tallington and Stoke Tunnel, back to normal now.

 

[Eastern Farmer]

There was a deer strike involving 1D13 between Tallington and Stoke Tunnel, back to normal now.

Thanks mate, not surprised, there are loads of them round here at the minute!

 

[800001]

Thanks mate, not surprised, there are loads of them round here at the minute!

They installed deer fencing, cameras and sound alerts near Corby Glen, over a 2-3 mile section.
That seemed to of worked and really lowered the amount of deer strikes.
However lately it’s picking up again in the area.

 

[Eastern Farmer]

They installed deer fencing, cameras and sound alerts near Corby Glen, over a 2-3 mile section.
That seemed to of worked and really lowered the amount of deer strikes.
However lately it’s picking up again in the area.

Ah yes I thought there had been fencing put in somewhere, I don’t live too far away at all and, as I say, I have seen plenty of deer about this year, much more than last.

 

[modernrail]

What is it with Peterborough, the constant weak link in the ECML. Spent dinner in York listening to colleagues story about getting stuck near here on their last journey and having to be detrained and on my way back to London, surprise surprise we are stuck at Peterborough because all the lines are blocked. 40 minutes stationary with zero explanation beyond there is some sort of signalling problem and zero discussion of a plan despite the late time of night.

 

[AlexNL]

However lately it’s picking up again in the area.

If it's the same spot as before, perhaps some of the fencing has broken/been vandalised, making it easier for deer to get on the tracks once more. For them then to find themselves trapped on the inside of the fence.

 

[800Travel]

Not been a great start to the evening. 1E19 801221 has hit an obstruction and its nosecone needs tending to between Grantham and Peterborough, and now services are queueing up in what appears to be a separate incident near Newark Flat Crossing. Don't know what the odds are of two possible incidents within such a short timeframe in a short section!

Saw 801221 today and noticed the nosecone on the first class end is missing the red stripes either side. Is this due to a rush repair or something after this incident? Curious, as never seen an Azuma like it before!

 

[800001]

Saw 801221 today and noticed the nosecone on the first class end is missing the red stripes either side. Is this due to a rush repair or something after this incident? Curious, as never seen an Azuma like it before!

The nose cone is plain grey when fitted.
The vinyl is normally applied by a contractor.
Not a rush repair, but gets it in service without waiting for a but of plastic to be stuck on.
Nothing untoward with it at all.

 

[800Travel]

The nose cone is plain grey when fitted.
The vinyl is normally applied by a contractor.
Not a rush repair, but gets it in service without waiting for a but of plastic to be stuck on.
Nothing untoward with it at all.

Thanks for explaining.

Think it was missing the little Azuma vinyl too, and a little section of the grey stripe too.

Just to clarify, by rush repair I didn't mean a quick repair that would impair the safety of the train - rather just what needed to be done as soon as possible, then get it back out rather than waiting for the vinyl as you've explained (though for some reason I'd thought it was paint).

 

[800001]

Thanks for explaining.

Think it was missing the little Azuma vinyl too, and a little section of the grey stripe too.

Just to clarify, by rush repair I didn't mean a quick repair that would impair the safety of the train - rather just what needed to be done as soon as possible, then get it back out rather than waiting for the vinyl as you've explained (though for some reason I'd thought it was paint).

The unit is base grey/white (depending who you ask).
All the colour, branding etc is all Vinyl.
Pretty sure depot staff don’t do any vinyl, prettt sure it’s a contractor (happy to be corrected).

 

[Pacef8]

You would need to train the staff how to do a vinyl wrap and understand the schematic of what goes where . Its a skilled job needing cleanliness and accuracy . Plus alot of vinyl/laminate curing and ink . Not to mention the cutting paths bleed and overlay .