Most 'endangered' units/locos?

[bigdelboy]

Class 86 could be at risk .... (displaced by 90's) though they do still to be effective and may carry on for more years yet.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

I would imagine the whole loco given that they are old the oldest on the network along with the class 20's.

Provided that they're not structurally knackered what's to stop a major overhaul (something like what the 73s have had)?

 

[Domh245]

A lack of need for them? The cost of designing and implementing a bespoke overhaul for a small number of locos.

 

[Boothby97]

The Mk.4 sets might go to the GEML, but the 91s probably won't. At least one is reserved for the NRM though, I think.

91131 (last electric loco built by BR) is reserved by the National Collection

 

[RichmondCommu]

Provided that they're not structurally knackered what's to stop a major overhaul (something like what the 73s have had)?

If Network Rail thought that was a viable option they would already be doing it . I'm guessing that the last example to run on the network will probably be owned by DCR as they own at least one of them.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

why won't the 91's stay with the mk4 carraiges? there's nothing wrong with them.

They're too slow off the mark for the current timetable on the GEML, according to posters on here with better expertise than me. 90s being 110mph locos are geared for acceleration rather than overall speed like the 91s, whose higher top speed would be wasted on Norwich services.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

They're too slow off the mark for the current timetable on the GEML, according to posters on here with better expertise than me. 90s being 110mph locos are geared for acceleration rather than overall speed like the 91s, whose higher top speed would be wasted on Norwich services.

Could 91s be regeared if needed?

 

[CosherB]

Could 91s be regeared if needed?

or make the timetable match the train capabilities? somewhat easier and cheaper?!

 

[Techniquest]

Who on earth informed you of that? The units haven't even been ordered yet...

To be fair, that was going back a few months ago and I've not made more recent inquiries. It's a good point though, the 313 replacements haven't been announced, at least I should have a bit more time to get them in!

Should be 2017.

Ah good, plenty of time to enjoy 317 and 321 action on the Great Northern then! Rather looking forward to enjoying a fast run with both classes at some point this year, or at the very least a decent length move!

 

[cjmillsnun]

or make the timetable match the train capabilities? somewhat easier and cheaper?!

Why would the passengers want a slower service?

 

[najaB]

Why would the passengers want a slower service?

Not saying it would be the case in this instance, but generally speaking a slower but more reliable or more frequent service might be acceptable.

 

[BurtonM]

The 325 mail trains are a good spot in general, I'd say. How often are they out and about?

 

[TheEdge]

- HSTs on the Western, at least on things like Hereford/Cheltenham/Swansea/Bristol services. I believe it's early 2017 we're seeing the changes properly start, but I can't remember exactly when or if that's changed.

Wait, I must have missed something here. Obviously lots are going with the electrification but what replacing them on things like the Herefords?

 

[edwin_m]

Wait, I must have missed something here. Obviously lots are going with the electrification but what replacing them on things like the Herefords?

Bi-mode IEPs I guess.

 

[Techniquest]

Wait, I must have missed something here. Obviously lots are going with the electrification but what replacing them on things like the Herefords?

Bi-mode IEPs are due to take over, according to multiple forum members on the IEP thread. Of course, in the next 2 years or so the plan could change quite significantly, but we'll see!

 

[sprinterguy]

The 325 mail trains are a good spot in general, I'd say. How often are they out and about?

They’re up and down the West Coast main line on a daily basis. There’s typically around six sets (from an operational fleet of - I think - fifteen units) out and about, with at least one daily 12-car diagram. Can quite often spy additional sets stabled in the bay platforms at Warrington RMT, too.

 

[BurtonM]

Oh, er, right. I've been up and down the WCML more than I care to think (and increasingly more so of late), and I've seen everything up to the New Measurement Train on my travels, but I've only ever seen a 325 once, two years ago in Crewe.

 

[Doctor Fegg]

Bi-mode IEPs are due to take over, according to multiple forum members on the IEP thread. Of course, in the next 2 years or so the plan could change quite significantly, but we'll see!

Bear in mind that there aren't enough bi-modes on order to cover the current peak Cotswold Line service, assuming no growth. I think we'll be seeing HSTs to Hereford for a while yet.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Not saying it would be the case in this instance, but generally speaking a slower but more reliable or more frequent service might be acceptable.

Considering the Skodas and the Super Skodas are of similar age, and the Super Skodas have had a harder life pounding up and down the ECML, I think sticking with 90s might be a good idea.

Just my opinion mind you

 

[Techniquest]

Bear in mind that there aren't enough bi-modes on order to cover the current peak Cotswold Line service, assuming no growth. I think we'll be seeing HSTs to Hereford for a while yet.

I reckon a follow-on order is almost guaranteed, but we'll see. Not that I'm complaining at keeping HSTs on the Cotswolds line, quite the opposite actually!

 

[sprinterguy]

Bear in mind that there aren't enough bi-modes on order to cover the current peak Cotswold Line service, assuming no growth. I think we'll be seeing HSTs to Hereford for a while yet.

According to what source? The template IEP GWML Timetable that became public about 18 months ago didn't show any HST workings remaining on the Cotswold line, the hourly service was all IEPs.