More than one change from London

[150222]

Denton + Reddish South!

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Going from only though :P

 

[IanD]

OP's question was regarding getting to a station with only 1 change FROM London so both Denton and Reddish South would meet this criteria.

 

[northwichcat]

Shows how London-centric our railways are.

... Or how well-connected most places are.

I have to agree with Essexman on that one.

* Chester and Runcorn stations both have direct hourly services to London but the service between the two stations is limited to a Summer Saturday only service.

* Liverpool to London is faster than Liverpool to Hull.

* Warrington has better rail links to London than central Cheshire, despite trains having to go through central Cheshire to get between Warrington and London.

I could go on.

 

[scarby]

Very interesting subject, and it just goes to show how isolated Whitby is because of the Beeching cuts, and on the other hand, how remarkable it is that the Esk Valley line survived.

While in Scarborough, just 18 miles up the coast, London can be reached in just over 3 hours by rail and a day trip is readily feasible, from Whitby by rail takes around 5 hours (using a bus to either Scarborough or York would cut the journey by a bit, but not much).

With the 93 bus service to Middlesbrough faster and much more frequent, and the intermediate stops from Whitby to Middlesbrough being small villages, Whitby really is a survivor. I'm amazed it made it through Beeching and the 70s and 80s.

 

[142094]

With the 93 bus service to Middlesbrough faster and much more frequent, and the intermediate stops from Whitby to Middlesbrough being small villages, Whitby really is a survivor. I'm amazed it made it through Beeching and the 70s and 80s.

I remember reading that one of the main reasons the line stayed open was as a scholar service - certainly that is the reason why 156s are now solely used instead of 142s.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

. . . .Whitby really is a survivor. I'm amazed it made it through Beeching and the 70s and 80s.

I agree that the Esk Valley line is a gem of a rural survivor, but it also illustrates how a more wholistic view of local transport can, and sometimes does, favour rail travel. Despite the significant seasonal element of its use, it is also the preferred mode for many school pupils, shoppers, non-car owners and other groups. With the centralisation of services and facilities in & around Middlesbrough and in Whitby, the demand on the Esk Line has benefitted (despite its slow journey times and infrequent service).

 

[ValleyLines142]

Pemberton!!

 

[starrymarkb]

Interesting how few places there are that need more than one change, especially if you don't count those which can be prevented by a short walk across Liverpool or Glasgow (or a boat to IoW).
Shows how London-centric our railways are.

And if most places are only one change from London is it better to have a regular service with a well managed connection, or a irregular direct service to everywhere?
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Very interesting subject, and it just goes to show how isolated Whitby is because of the Beeching cuts, and on the other hand, how remarkable it is that the Esk Valley line survived.

While in Scarborough, just 18 miles up the coast, London can be reached in just over 3 hours by rail and a day trip is readily feasible, from Whitby by rail takes around 5 hours (using a bus to either Scarborough or York would cut the journey by a bit, but not much).

With the 93 bus service to Middlesbrough faster and much more frequent, and the intermediate stops from Whitby to Middlesbrough being small villages, Whitby really is a survivor. I'm amazed it made it through Beeching and the 70s and 80s.

The bus from York knocks about 1hr off the journey from the South compared to going by train all the way. Through tickets are/were available.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Orrell, Upholland and Rainford too then. Also Darwen, Entwistle, Bromley Cross and Hall-i'-th'-Wood, southound only though, there's 1tpd ex-Manchester for them.

 

[Thomas6187]

Also Darwen, Entwistle, Bromley Cross and Hall-i'-th'-Wood, southound only though, there's 1tpd ex-Manchester for them.

Only with a 6 Hour, 19 minute wait.

 

[34D]

There's no trains from Manchester Victoria to Leeds via Huddersfield in the current timetable and I've never seen and heard of any. The Victoria-Huddersfield service did used to extend to Wakefield though.

I went on such a train! Going back to 1995ish though. There was one slam door DMU train left in west yorkshire, something like man vic-hud and 1715 return. I did it with 101840 to Marsden, then a 3 car class 144 back which was going all the way vic-Leeds.

There's 1tpd from Marsden to Leeds and 2tpd from Lime Street-Victoria-Huddersfield with no return workings so I suppose if you lived in Marsden or Slaithwaite you could go from your local station to Leeds to London and then back up the WCML to Liverpool and then across but there wouldn't be a return ticket valid or even a single ticket valid for the return option.

With Huddersfield-London (and quite possibly Marsden-London) the ticket is valid via ecml and wcml, though probably not to Liverpool.

It starts at Marsden at 21:47, so I doubt it won't get to Leeds before the last London train. It doesn't run as a Victoria-Leeds service though as 142094 said and after 25th March 2012 it starts at Huddersfield not Marsden.

Seems to be engineering work that cuts these trains to Huddersfield-Marsden and return (and diverts transpennine through Wakefield Kirkgate non stop. There is a bus from Leeds to cover the through stopper.

 

[150222]

Pemberton!!

Change at Wigan?

 

[philjo]

Knighton & other stations at the Northern end of the Heart of Wales line as you have to change at Shrewsbury for the HOW train.
Unless you go from London via Swansea which means a much longer journey & I don't think is a permitted route for those stations

 

[ValleyLines142]

Change at Wigan?

Not including the change from Wallgate to North Western.