The point I am making is this idiot passenger forced the door back open when it was closing so his mate could get on. The air pressure to close the sliding doors on a 321 is not insignificant so he would have had to put a considerable amount of force on the door to hold it open again. But how many times do you see passengers attempting to board as the doors are closing even though there are clear signs everywhere saying do not attempt to board as the doors are closing. The doors on a 321 are fine and work perfectly well day in day out its only really when you get idiots trying to interfere with them that you start getting faults.
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and fit razor blades into the edges.
They would only try and hold the door open once.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E6CQUrP7Lg
Quite suitable for this thread, emphasising the importance of right time arr/dep
Quite suitable for this thread, emphasising the importance of right time arr/dep
There's been a few incidents of people getting clothes/hands stuck in doors and dragged, with varying injuries. From reading the RAIB reports it would appear that a fair amount of thought and standards writing has gone into sliding door and seal design.
A lot of thought and work, but incidents will still happen. Make the doors too sensitive and you end up with the 2009 tube stock on the Victoria line.
Although I'm told they've made lots of tweaks to reduce problems, I was on a set before Christmas in rush hour (something I nearly always avoid) that triggered the brakes twice. What was odd is that the first happened when we'd entered the tunnel, so I guess someone had something trapped and only triggered the sensor by trying to pull it out. That's certainly what the driver said, pointing out that until the blockage was cleared the train wouldn't be able to move.
[As an side, I noticed the CIS then got knocked out from then on too, so I don't know if the driver had to do some sort of reset in the cab?]
By the time I got off at King's Cross and the doors shut, it moved maybe 10 metres before it happened again.
Although I'm told they've made lots of tweaks to reduce problems, I was on a set before Christmas in rush hour (something I nearly always avoid) that triggered the brakes twice. What was odd is that the first happened when we'd entered the tunnel, so I guess someone had something trapped and only triggered the sensor by trying to pull it out. That's certainly what the driver said, pointing out that until the blockage was cleared the train wouldn't be able to move.
[As an side, I noticed the CIS then got knocked out from then on too, so I don't know if the driver had to do some sort of reset in the cab?]
By the time I got off at King's Cross and the doors shut, it moved maybe 10 metres before it happened again.
bronzeonion
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Well incidents with people getting caught in doors could just be averted by having a guard at the rear of the train seeing the train out through an open window, where then he/she can reach over and apply the emergency brake if any issues occur.
Or people could stop mucking about with the doors, and if they did muck about then the railways should use the bylaws to fine them, but the TOCs wont because the delay fines are so much higher than they will get for prosecuting a door jammer.
I heard a story that a driver looked in his DOO mirror and saw some kids messing around on the platform. Turned out they had broken into a store room, nicked some rope or fire hose (can't remember which), tied one end to the light on the platform and tied the other end to the base of one of the seats on the train through the window. If the driver had left the seat would have been ripped through the window!
That's the kind of things drivers/guards and rail staff have to put up with on a daily basis.
That's the kind of things drivers/guards and rail staff have to put up with on a daily basis.
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Every day, really? They obviously don't report them very often as such stories in the log and few and far between. Anyway if there is a history of disruptive behavoir the TOC should be providing security staff, the staff will soon blacklist the route and there won't be trains if its that bad, which goes back to TOC penny pinching again doesn't it...!
You regularly see train delayed or train cancelled due to vandalism. And usually this is vandals interfering with the doors but you do get extreme examples like my anecdote.
Surely if you made doors able to cope with being held open then people would always hold them open for people and then you end up with huge delays? I normally make a sarcastic announcement when people hold the doors open saying 'sorry for the delay, we are waiting for the incredibly selfish person at the back set of doors in coach number 3 to move out of the way'.
Passengers do cause a lot of the delays on stopping services, although not always through the passengers fault. Timetables rarely allow longer boarding times in the peak, mainly because pathways are so tight that they an only give a train 30 sec in a station when in reality you need 1-2 mins.
I think one of the worst stations where I certainly find we get the most abuse and delays is highbury and islington heading out of London in the evening peak. As soon as I see the doors are clear enough I start to close them. Normally as soon as you do that a Victoria line arrives on the adjacent platform and loads of people run across and try and get on the train. I know it sounds harsh and un friendly but I try to close the doors before the tube train arrives-not for a cheap laugh but quite simply because if you let the tube passengers start boarding you can easily sit there for an extra minute or 2 waiting for people to cram on, stop holding the doors open, stand clear enough for you to see the train is clear etc. but the amount of times I have had verbal abuse from punters because I refuse to open the doors again for them despite the train already being late and another being right behind is quite un real! There has to be a cut off at stations like that and it will always lead to people being left behind. If you waited for everyone who walked onto the platform to get onboard you simply would never leave!
Passengers do cause a lot of the delays on stopping services, although not always through the passengers fault. Timetables rarely allow longer boarding times in the peak, mainly because pathways are so tight that they an only give a train 30 sec in a station when in reality you need 1-2 mins.
I think one of the worst stations where I certainly find we get the most abuse and delays is highbury and islington heading out of London in the evening peak. As soon as I see the doors are clear enough I start to close them. Normally as soon as you do that a Victoria line arrives on the adjacent platform and loads of people run across and try and get on the train. I know it sounds harsh and un friendly but I try to close the doors before the tube train arrives-not for a cheap laugh but quite simply because if you let the tube passengers start boarding you can easily sit there for an extra minute or 2 waiting for people to cram on, stop holding the doors open, stand clear enough for you to see the train is clear etc. but the amount of times I have had verbal abuse from punters because I refuse to open the doors again for them despite the train already being late and another being right behind is quite un real! There has to be a cut off at stations like that and it will always lead to people being left behind. If you waited for everyone who walked onto the platform to get onboard you simply would never leave!
Yes totally agree with that rhetoric. On GEML the timings for the paths are so tight, a slight delay due to a sticky door or so many passengers on the platform that the station dwell time is above 30 secs, that half an hour later the trains are running 10 mins late and control are trying to work out what has caused it. And believe me every minute of delay is accounted for and they attributed to a dept for which there has to be a reason given for that delay.
Damn right there does! If you get to Finsbury Park late, you'll invariably end up causing all sorts of delays on the slows - with the semi-fast from KGX catching up and having to crawl behind you to WGC (assuming you're doing a WGC service!).
I often used to go from Old St to FPK and change to a faster service to Hatfield, and - again - if you're late out of Highbury & Islington [and I saw the carnage from inside the train] then I might miss it.
Shame you can't just tell passengers approaching your cab window to sod off and wait for the next service just 5 minutes behind (in the peak I believe there's a train every 5 minutes for a couple of hours).
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