More Class 60s for sale

[43096]

Following on from the recent sale of 60004/014/018 to GBRf, DB Cargo has put another eight Class 60s up for sale:
60008 @ Toton
60028 @ Crewe
60029 @ Crewe
60046 @ Crewe
60055 @ Crewe
60064 @ Toton
60070 @ Toton
60098 @ Toton

https://uk.dbcargo.com/rail-uk-en/what-we-offer/additional_services/Disposals-1926106

 

[31160]

Hopefully 098 won't get turned into white goods, considering it's works number

 

[alexl92]

Hopefully 098 won't get turned into white goods, considering it's works number

Can you explain, for those of us who are less knowledgable?

 

[43096]

Can you explain, for those of us who are less knowledgable?

It is Brush works number 1000.

 

[433N]

I hadn't heard about these purchases (bit slow).

Does anyone know if we can expect to see them on the tracks or are they for spares for their newly-acquired fleet.

 

[alexl92]

Those listed above are for sale, not recently purchased. Some of them are in dire condition, having been standing on a siding at Toton for years doing nothing.

There is no guarantee they’ll be sold - the only realistic buyer at the moment is GBRf but I don’t know if they need any more, and DBC are forever putting 60s up for sale before withdrawing them again.

 

[433N]

Those listed above are for sale, not recently purchased.

I meant the ones referred to by the O/P "Following on from the recent sale of 60004/014/018 to GBRf ..."

 

[Suraggu]

Who says GB will be the only bidder?

 

[43096]

I meant the ones referred to by the O/P "Following on from the recent sale of 60004/014/018 to GBRf ..."

General consensus is provision of spares for the 10 that GBRf acquired (and have subsequently done a sale-and-lease-back deal with Beacon Rail).

That said, there seems to be quite a lot happening behind the scenes with the 60s currently, with the extra 8 for sale and possible increased use for DB on Mendip stone work.

 

[Entertexthere]

How much do you think they'll cost?

 

[43096]

How much do you think they'll cost?

Whatever the winning bidder is prepared to pay!

 

[433N]

Well, I did see in the tendering gumpf that there is a reserve ... so the question is how much is the reserve.

I've seen DRS say 'above scrap value'. DBC don't seem to be so specific.

 

[31160]

Well what is the rough scrap value of a 60? Anybody got a clue

 

[Suraggu]

Well what is the rough scrap value of a 60? Anybody got a clue

It's around £120 per ton on scrap steel looking at various sites.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

For anyone thinking of buying an early Xmas gift.

The locos have to be collected from Toton - no small expense itself.

 

[hooverboy]

It's around £120 per ton on scrap steel looking at various sites.

so that suggests about £16k for scrap then.

I think DBC will be looking for a bit higher than that.
at £25k though maybe GCR in loughborough might be interested in a couple to restore/lease out.
not too far from toton either.

 

[31160]

It would be nice if one 60 does end up at the GCR

 

[Entertexthere]

It would be nice if one 60 does end up at the GCR

It would seem like a bit early, it only having about 20 years in service. Either way it would be cool if the gcr had one

 

[HOOVER29]

£25k just to buy one?
Then £5k+ to chuck it on a low loader & move it
Then the real expense starts.
I would think a minimum £100k will do but I suspect it’ll probably be more.
Depends on what’s wrong with it.

 

[43096]

so that suggests about £16k for scrap then.

I think DBC will be looking for a bit higher than that.
at £25k though maybe GCR in loughborough might be interested in a couple to restore/lease out.
not too far from toton either.

I rather suspect this isn't aimed at people who might want to preserve one. Much more likely that there's a pre-agreed deal between DB and someone else and this is just ticking the procedural boxes for disposal (as with previous sales of 60s and 66s), or DB are testing the market again and there's a relatively high reserve on them and they'll remain un-sold if it's not met.

If I was wanting to preserve one, I certainly wouldn't be buying now.

 

[furnessvale]

so that suggests about £16k for scrap then.

I think DBC will be looking for a bit higher than that.
at £25k though maybe GCR in loughborough might be interested in a couple to restore/lease out.
not too far from toton either.

There is (or is it now WAS) a fair bit of copper in a loco to up the price a little.

On a totally different point, why do I think of Danish bacon every time I see the initials DBC?

 

[richieb1971]

Its my understanding the 60 is a loco that needs specialist attention to keep going and isn't ripe for preservation.

 

[whhistle]

How much do you think they'll cost?

Whatever the winning bidder is prepared to pay!

An excellent contribution!
Perhaps you need it clarifying a bit more: how much do you think someone would be willing to pay for the average loco in that list, in pounds?


I wonder if (you had unlimited money and a desire) you could fit it in situ and drive it away?

 

[richieb1971]

Not in a standard driveway. Would need 3 driveways. I'd say quarter of a million pounds for one loco.

 

[43096]

An excellent contribution!
Perhaps you need it clarifying a bit more: how much do you think someone would be willing to pay for the average loco in that list, in pounds?

No I don’t need it clarifying and the answer is the same.

They’d be prepared to pay what they thought it was worth. Trying to guess what the actual value might be is pointless as we don’t know who is interested, what they want them for, or any other information. Next, there isn’t an average loco in that list: we know three are heavily stripped but not the condition of the rest of them without actually viewing them.

The value of anything is only what someone is actually prepared to pay.

 

[E50019]

so that suggests about £16k for scrap then.

I think DBC will be looking for a bit higher than that.
at £25k though maybe GCR in loughborough might be interested in a couple to restore/lease out.
not too far from toton either.

Why on Earth would the GCR (Loughborough) a heritage railway with no mainline connection (yet) be interested in an airbraked only, technically complicated computer controlled 20 year old heavy freight type 5 locomotive(s)?

Did you simply mean GCR (ruddington)? Still can't see that happening either, too much money & too complicated to keep operational in a preservation organisation, without a disproportionate amount of resources.

 

[TimboM]

Whenever DB reinstate 60s at Toton they strip them back to their bodyshells and rebuild them anyway, so all this talk of scrap metal value is a little wide of the mark.

The 60s at Crewe externally at least are in good nick (I'm aware external appearance is far from everything). I'd say it's fairly obvious as with other recent DB sales processes this is a done deal (bar this last standard procedural part) with a customer who is buying a "job lot" of 4 or 5 good ones (notably the 4 at Crewe) and other bodyshells/spares donors from which said buyer will be reinstating some of the 8 being sold.

I also wouldn't be at all surprised based on recent deals if part of the agreement is for DB to do whatever work is required - that way DB get a good return on both the sales value, then income to restore / maintain the locos.

Worth noting that since "someone" has bought the previous 3x demics (004/014/018) they've been moved across to the main TMD area and meanwhile GB 60s have been turning up at Toton for repair and maintenance. Might just be coincidence...

 

[Tim R-T-C]

Its my understanding the 60 is a loco that needs specialist attention to keep going and isn't ripe for preservation.

I've heard the internal gubbins compared to a nuclear submarine for their complexity. Compared to the class 66s where the electronics are minimal in comparison.

 

[TimboM]

I've heard the internal gubbins compared to a nuclear submarine for their complexity. Compared to the class 66s where the electronics are minimal in comparison.

Preserved doesn't mean it needs to be operational - take the APT at Crewe Heritage Centre as a good example (and a good proportion of the NRM collection!)

 

[43096]

Preserved doesn't mean it needs to be operational - take the APT at Crewe Heritage Centre as a good example (and a good proportion of the NRM collection!)

It would also depend on who is involved with a preservation bid.