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EMT are not sticking to the diagrams.
11:30 STP-SHF today was a medium distance underfloor engined rattling DMU instead of a HST as booked.
So bear that in mind if booking advance purchase tickets.
The Leeds services should be safe though!
11:30 STP-SHF today was a medium distance underfloor engined rattling DMU instead of a HST as booked.
So bear that in mind if booking advance purchase tickets.
The Leeds services should be safe though!
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Tom
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They did say that all HSTs would be migrated to Nottingham services - nothing stopping them doing it before the timetable change.
devon_metro
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Why?
Don't the Nottingham services have more stops more suitable for Meridians?
I don't understand Stagecoach sometimes.
Don't the Nottingham services have more stops more suitable for Meridians?
I don't understand Stagecoach sometimes.
AlexS
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A good mate of mine is an EMT ex MML timetable planner and she says that the HSTs will still be on the Sheffield trains from at least this timetable change.
As for 222s on HST services - what do ya do if one of your HSTs pops, just cancel the train despite there being another available train to cover it?
As for 222s on HST services - what do ya do if one of your HSTs pops, just cancel the train despite there being another available train to cover it?
theblackwatch
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Exactly - most if not all TOCs will attempt to cover a working with non-diagrammed traction if possible. Anyone who thinks Virgin wouldn't is mistaken. Remember the 2 coach HST which covered a Class 158 diagram as one of the best known examples?
87015
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Wasn't unheard of to seriously ask if Virgin knew what diagrammed traction was!!
theblackwatch
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Especially with the 14.06 off Brum to Bournemouth! Happy memories with that train....
87015
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Top train! And S87 for the eurostar syphons a few hours later....Virgin quality!!
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Tom
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Reading Modern Railways - I've got the perfect jist of what they're planning now and it does make total sense.
They're removing the buffet coach out of the HSTs and installing a Meridian type galley in an FO, if done quickly enough the first set could be ready by March. Therefore by removing one coach and increasing potential acceleration you can get more paths (where the 5th path comes from).
In addition, there will be 5 and 7 coach Meridians mostly on the Sheffield services. The sense behind that idea is very clever also. EMT think that while Sheffield stops have a lot of stops, the DfT have given incentives to lower journey times while keeping the same (or near enough) stopping patterns. In order to do this you need to figure out how to accelerate the diagrammed stock (HSTs) to accelerate more quickly, EMT have the easy option with Meridians. Very clever thinking if you ask me.
Therefore, HSTs can operate on the lower distance Nottingham services while keeping paths free for express Sheffield services.
They hardly ever stick to there diarams though do they!
AlexS
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But that's not happening for a least another 12 months anyway!
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Tom
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This forum amuses me ...
It's exactly the same staff in control as it was under MML ... gotta love the non understanding of the railway system on here...
It's exactly the same staff in control as it was under MML ... gotta love the non understanding of the railway system on here...
Jordy
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I really hope not, the Sheffield - St Pancas trains get very busy, and with the start of Eurostar services from St Pancras, surely they should be creating more capacity, not reducing it!!
Jord
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Is it not about time this thread name was changed to EMT HSTs ? lol
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EAST MIDLANDS TRAINS
43-50, 52, 54, 55, 58, 59-61, 66,
GNER/NXEC
43206,208,238,039,051,053,056,057,077,290,095,296,300,102,105,306,107, 108,309,110,111,112,113,314,115,116,117,318,119,320,367
NETWORK RAIL
13,14,62,89
GRAND CENTRAL
65,67,68,80,86,123
ARRIVA XC
7, 85, 101, 103, 104, 166, 178, 184
SCRAPPED - 11,19,173
FGW - All other power cars
43-50, 52, 54, 55, 58, 59-61, 66,
GNER/NXEC
43206,208,238,039,051,053,056,057,077,290,095,296,300,102,105,306,107, 108,309,110,111,112,113,314,115,116,117,318,119,320,367
NETWORK RAIL
13,14,62,89
GRAND CENTRAL
65,67,68,80,86,123
ARRIVA XC
7, 85, 101, 103, 104, 166, 178, 184
SCRAPPED - 11,19,173
FGW - All other power cars
Removing the buffet? But wasn't one of the promises of EMT that the hot breakfast provision will be kept. How can they cook a proper hot breakfast in a little galley? Or will the buffet cars be kept on the HSTs that work from Neville Hill?
I can't see that removing one carriage will make a whole load of difference to be honest, and removing the buffet seems mad. As Jordy said, why are they reducing capacity, and worsening the on-board food provision, as opposed to increasing/improving them?
Wonder what will happen to all those buffet cars...
I can't see that removing one carriage will make a whole load of difference to be honest, and removing the buffet seems mad. As Jordy said, why are they reducing capacity, and worsening the on-board food provision, as opposed to increasing/improving them?
Wonder what will happen to all those buffet cars...
ChrisCooper
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Taking out the buffet coach will make a fair difference to performance due to the reduced weight. The buffet is the heaviest of the coaches, at just over 38t, and by removing them they will reduce the weight of a set by about 10%, and therefore get around 10% better performance.
There must be a fair amount of Mk3 buffets spair now, what with FGW taking them out of some sets, EMT taking them out, I presume XC will not want any for theirs, plus the hauled ones aswell with not all the 'one' Mk3 sets having full buffet coaches (some just have a small buffet in one of the FOs, replacing the previous Mk2 BFOs), and all the Mk3 buffets that were previously in West Coast and Anglia Mk2 sets. Due to the relative shortage of Mk3 stock now, and likely future demand, I wonder if we'll see some buffets converted into none buffet coaches, afterall some of the hauled RFBs were converted from none buffets originally.
There must be a fair amount of Mk3 buffets spair now, what with FGW taking them out of some sets, EMT taking them out, I presume XC will not want any for theirs, plus the hauled ones aswell with not all the 'one' Mk3 sets having full buffet coaches (some just have a small buffet in one of the FOs, replacing the previous Mk2 BFOs), and all the Mk3 buffets that were previously in West Coast and Anglia Mk2 sets. Due to the relative shortage of Mk3 stock now, and likely future demand, I wonder if we'll see some buffets converted into none buffet coaches, afterall some of the hauled RFBs were converted from none buffets originally.
Techniquest
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Mr. Hulltrains, I think you'll find GC have 084, not 086. 086 is a GW machine now.
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