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MML disruption 10/1/15

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21C101

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Apologies for taking this OT.

Just retrieved the programme from the recycling. 65 stands, of which 17 were layouts, maybe 7 of which were of a size that would fit in the boot of an estate car with the seats down. £8 to get in (although kids free). Being my debut I'm not sure if this is typical or not.

Back on topic. I see the first train north has made it to Derby, but no onward connections to Nottingham. Are buses being provided?

Was planning to take my nipper to this but forgot, glad on both accounts (journey and content) by the sound of it.

Having been involved in helping run (in a minor role) exhibitions in the past, the problem is that having model railways visit is becoming extortionate. You have to pay the expenses of the exhibitors (hotel, transit van hire, petrol and food) which even in circa 2000 when I was involved was becoming extortionate and killing any profit. Trade stands have to pay for stand space and all their own expenses. Add to that the fact that venues, especially council ones, have increased venue costs from a nominal fee to a commercial rate over the last thirty years and you end up with what you saw. We used to save costs in the '80s by hiring a couple of vans and transporting most of the layouts ourselves and doing the catering ourselves but that is now regulated out of existence.

At the big exhibtions, there always have been a lot of men of a certain age (mostly single, real ale, not always overly familiar with soap and water types) who spend their weekends travelling vast distances to visit the big exhibitions, when not stood at the end of platforms, on railtours, or painting their collection of telegraph poles at home that their long suffering mother has allowed them to plant in the garden.

However, the model railway industry has moved towards marketing to wealthy adults not children (most commercial trains now cost an absolute fortune owing to being anally accurate and are actually marked this is not a toy it is a collectable for adults - or something similar - to get round EU toy CE mark costs and limitation). Also the internet has killed off exhibitions being the best source of cheap second hand model railway gear that they were in the 90s when there would be really interesting second hand trade stands.

You are often better off these days at small club exhibitions where the exhibition is only one day and most layouts local club owners, less commercial and "ned" orientated and more family orientated. Plus only about £3 to get in.
 
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The best model railway exhibition that I've ever been to was I belive called IMERX (the two horticultural society halls, round the Holborn of London (think that's where it was). The one layout that I can remember (was also my favourite) was the massive gauge 1 live steam one (my favourite place to watch it was by the terminus of the branch, where the underground train went from). I believe that they effectivily built that layout nearly from scratch each year.
 

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The best model railway exhibition that I've ever been to was I belive called IMERX (the two horticultural society halls, round the Holborn of London (think that's where it was). The one layout that I can remember (was also my favourite) was the massive gauge 1 live steam one (my favourite place to watch it was by the terminus of the branch, where the underground train went from). I believe that they effectivily built that layout nearly from scratch each year.

That was organised by The Model Railway Club and was the country's top exhibition in its time. It folded about 20 years ago after apparently making a loss.

I think the Alexandra Palace one is loosely speaking the successor exhibition.

The purpose of these exhibitions is twofold. To adverstise the club operating them and get new members, and secondly to make a profit and pay for club expenses like the model railway gear. I'm not sure that the big ones meet either objective now.
 

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Thread is so going to get split off...

Anyways, in a parrallel, I went to the Lego Show at the excel centre in November. That was almost certainly very profit-making (lots of commercial stands + Toysrus+entry fee). But there were also a significant number of layouts (some including trains ;) ) although I'm not sure of the funding model for their appearances. Some were hobbyists, some were the Lego professionals who have set up their own businesses making lego displays to order (such as the st pancras xmas tree a couple of years ago). And obviously there were a lot of children.

So comparing and contrasting...why is the lego show growing year after year whereas trains not....

I'd hazard a guess at benefits from a single company/brand; one big event; rather that multiple overtly competing meaning margins are small...?
 

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Just before its gets split:

I'm into euro stuff, so any chance I like to get to the Cologne show. Its massive, lots to see and do. Good mixture of layouts, lots of stands, but mainly from the manufactures, and a good mix of trade stands. They even have a hall full of ride on trains. There is lots for the kids to do, kit building etc, and Lego has another hall as well. Only gripe, the food. Sausages again!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc1rqRvQtMU#t=1786

Makes a big change from the tiny shows around Brighton. A couple of quid, a few stands, a few small layouts and some cake.

The only bigish one of curse is Brighton modelworld. Sometimes its good, sometimes a bit naff. One year it was all about robotwars, the next there was a good model railway showing. This year, fingers crossed.
 

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At the big exhibtions, there always have been a lot of men of a certain age (mostly single, real ale, not always overly familiar with soap and water types) who spend their weekends travelling vast distances to visit the big exhibitions, when not stood at the end of platforms, on railtours, or painting their collection of telegraph poles at home that their long suffering mother has allowed them to plant in the garden.


Indeed - a major disincentive - when my boys were younger I took them here - and frankly their attitude and behaviour was worse than poor. I can walk there - and do not bother for that reason.
 

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At the big exhibtions, there always have been a lot of men of a certain age (mostly single, real ale, not always overly familiar with soap and water types) who spend their weekends travelling vast distances to visit the big exhibitions, when not stood at the end of platforms, on railtours, or painting their collection of telegraph poles at home that their long suffering mother has allowed them to plant in the garden.


Indeed - a major disincentive - when my boys were younger I took them here - and frankly their attitude and behaviour was worse than poor. I can walk there - and do not bother for that reason.

Wish we had spoken beforehand, would have saved me £8! Your description of the majority of the attendees is exactly correct.oddly, it reminded me of the attendees at the real ale festival on the same venue, the only difference being that this weekend most attendees could see their own feet.
 

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Wish we had spoken beforehand, would have saved me £8! Your description of the majority of the attendees is exactly correct.oddly, it reminded me of the attendees at the real ale festival on the same venue, the only difference being that this weekend most attendees could see their own feet.

He was actually quoting my post this morning with said description!
 
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At the big exhibtions, there always have been a lot of men of a certain age (mostly single, real ale, not always overly familiar with soap and water types)

An absolutely perfect and accurate description. I experienced some exceptionally rude people during my visit, whose lack of general social skills and basic comprehension of manners was breathtaking. The problem is that after a while, when your own 'thank you's and 'excuse me's have been ignored, you tend to resort to their rudeness just to move around and see the exhibits.

One 'highlight' at St Albans this year was being bulldozed out of the way by someone keen to see a display. I was prepared to ignore it because I thought it was a child; but no, it was some rude old man who felt his need to see something meant that everyone else should stand aside, rather than simply wait his turn.
 

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I must have seen you! First and last time I'm ever going to that event. Really not my scene.
Depends when you were there - I was on the stand in the morning and late afternoon. We saw quite a few kids, but we were right by the exit so probably saw most people. Lot quieter today with more room to move around the show.
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.......Hopefully your signal box has double glazing although I suspect that all the remaining ones have.

Of course we don't have double glazing - we still have the original MR window frames, although as all the panes were broken while the box was out of use, the glass is now laminated!
 
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Worth mentioning that I've been to the St Albans signal box a couple of times and it's a very different story. It appears to attracts a variety of people and the volunteers are delightful. I happily spent quite a bit of time watching the MML from the box, and everyone was really very pleasant. Well worth a trip on one of its open days.
 

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Worth mentioning that I've been to the St Albans signal box a couple of times and it's a very different story. It appears to attracts a variety of people and the volunteers are delightful. I happily spent quite a bit of time watching the MML from the box, and everyone was really very pleasant. Well worth a trip on one of its open days.


Just to add to the plug for St Albans South, Mr Webb is an extremely knowledgeable and interesting chap to talk to.
 
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