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Mixed vehicle route allocation

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delt1c

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Got wondering where a route has a mixed vehicle allocation how is it scheduled. I remember in the late 7”’s when HT had an alllocation for the 253 in London using DM’s they were dramatically slower and always running late compared to SF, CT and D allocated RM’s. Maldonado thinking of Eastern Scottish Route 35 which could have anything from a Lodekka LD, FLF, FS, Fleetline or even a coach. As a long route late running was rare but dwell times at stops on a coach could be long.
 
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In Plymouth, for PCB at least, the below takes place on many routes:

Typically in the morning, the service startup on selected routes that are single decker or lower frequency would have an increased frequency for the first couple hours, just before the school contracts start (around 0800), after which normal vehicle allocation and frequency resumes.

In the afternoon peak following the school runs, on single decker routes which are busy in the evening rush, are swapped with deckers off school contract runs or swapped with deckers on more rural workings which would otherwise end up at the far end of the route carrying not that many passengers. Also it gives oppertunities to line up the evening wind down so that buses low on fuel which started up early can go to depot or requiring attention can be brought in earlier than planned.

There is also plenty of interworking from route to route and can be changed to give flexibility in times of increased traffic, so that journeys start RT from the City Centre or trips missed out where the cancellation of a run would cause the least disruption to passengers overall.

In the evenings, you generally see branded buses off route or different types used to suit operational requirements. I imagine this is how it works for many other operators. Similar happens on Sundays with reduced frequencies.

To part answer your specific question, Dwell times need to be sufficient to take traffic into account. On a good day, lots of waiting around, on a bad day it runs late, but not as late as it would do without padding.
 

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Got wondering where a route has a mixed vehicle allocation how is it scheduled. I remember in the late 7”’s when HT had an alllocation for the 253 in London using DM’s they were dramatically slower and always running late compared to SF, CT and D allocated RM’s. Maldonado thinking of Eastern Scottish Route 35 which could have anything from a Lodekka LD, FLF, FS, Fleetline or even a coach. As a long route late running was rare but dwell times at stops on a coach could be long.
Specifically on the DM/RM mix, and similar, in London they'd have had exactly the same running time, and been on the same schedule. There was never joint crew/opo working on red London buses as it was contrary to all union agreements, but I believe in the last few years of crew operation under TfL, particularly when opo buses took over in the evening, they were scheduled together on given routes for the overlap period.
 

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Arriva Macclesfield outstation use double deckers on the 38 Macclesfield to Crewe in the day (Monday to Saturday). Evenings a Mellor Strata or Optare Solo SR.
 

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In the 80s/90s common for minibuses used from day services, to services in the evening/Sunday which in the day be single or double deckers
 

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The first example which springs to mind for me is the 685 between Newcastle and Carlisle, which is a joint working between Arriva and Stagecoach. Arriva use branded single deckers, whereas Stagecoach mainly use unbranded single deckers but also allocate one branded double decker, which always seems to work the 09:45 from Newcastle.

To complicate matters further, Stagecoach also run an extra bus between Brampton and Carlisle, to create a half hourly service on the western end of the route. I believe that is just an Optare Solo which shuttles back and forth.
 

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As a driver who gets a mix of tridents, Volvo Gemini’s and enviro MMCs in same routes, I find the MMCs lose time when lots of regular stops due to the door interlock system, once door is firm shut you have to press brake pedal before it will release the brakes even after removing handbreak. Tridents and Gemini’s don’t have this system so saves about 10-15 seconds a stop. Makes quite a difference with lots of regular stops. Meanwhile where longer gaps between stops MMCs accelerate better than tridents so they make up time and often find waiting time with larger distances between stops. Gemini’s have better acceleration than both and don’t have the same door interlocking brake system so keep time well on frequent stops. Don’t know if it’s the case but I suspect our timetables were updated on trident running times when they were the common vehicle here as I seem to get every where within a few seconds of time on an average traffic and average car passenger loading when on a trident
 
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