Missing service 1212 Berwick-upon-Tweed

[revkev7]

Does anyone know why the weekday LNER service from Inverness does not stop at Berwick resulting in no direct service to London at 1212? It interrupts an otherwise hourly service to London.

 

[DanBlanchflowe]

Does anyone know why the weekday LNER service from Inverness does not stop at Berwick resulting in no direct service to London at 1212? It interrupts an otherwise hourly service to London.

Yet on the Sunday service, does stop there at 14.13 as does the 13.43 ex Edin., which is more of a stopper to KX, so they arrive only 13 mins apart.

 

[scotrail158713]

Yet on the Sunday service, does stop there at 14.13 as does the 13.43 ex Edin., which is more of a stopper to KX, so they arrive only 13 mins apart.

Is that perhaps to compensate for the 14:30 ex-Edinburgh (~11:50 ex-Aberdeen) stopping at Newcastle and York only?

 

[Failed Unit]

Does anyone know why the weekday LNER service from Inverness does not stop at Berwick resulting in no direct service to London at 1212? It interrupts an otherwise hourly service to London.

Back when the timetable was implemented they were not sure if HSTs could keep time. Trains booked as HSTs skipped Berwick-on-Tweed or had non standard departures (such as 0626).

Over the years stops were added to these missing hours. Other diagrams that were mk4s became HSTs.

Your question is still valid why is that gap still not filled, but that is how the gaps appeared.

 

[swt_passenger]

Back when the timetable was implemented they were not sure if HSTs could keep time. Trains booked as HSTs skipped Berwick-on-Tweed or had non standard departures (such as 0626).

Over the years stops were added to these missing hours. Other diagrams that were mk4s became HSTs.

Your question is still valid why is that gap still not filled, but that is how the gaps appeared.

Is it therefore possible that they’ve just continued to leave the stop out to make it seem more of a flagship service? The times at Edinburgh and Newcastle look similar to, or the same as, other services.

 

[Failed Unit]

Is it therefore possible that they’ve just continued to leave the stop out to make it seem more of a flagship service? The times at Edinburgh and Newcastle look similar to, or the same as, other services.

could also be loadings. It often leaves Edinburgh full. (But so do the ex-Aberdeen services)

 

[revkev7]

Back when the timetable was implemented they were not sure if HSTs could keep time. Trains booked as HSTs skipped Berwick-on-Tweed or had non standard departures (such as 0626).

Over the years stops were added to these missing hours. Other diagrams that were mk4s became HSTs.

Your question is still valid why is that gap still not filled, but that is how the gaps appeared.

could also be loadings. It often leaves Edinburgh full. (But so do the ex-Aberdeen services)

I wonder if any representation has been made to LNER to add to the timetable. Is there a specific process to offer suggestions to ROC’s?

 

[Failed Unit]

To be honest. I can’t see it happening now. I suspect the 2021 timetable we see it go to full hourly when it is recast and the majority of the planners time will be on that. But equally it is just a stop so how hard can it be. (Leaves matches)

 

[swt_passenger]

To be honest. I can’t see it happening now. I suspect the 2021 timetable we see it go to full hourly when it is recast and the majority of the planners time will be on that. But equally it is just a stop so how hard can it be. (Leaves matches)

In the Track Access Application the hourly Berwick calls all appear to be in the semifast Edinburgh/Kings Cross services, the fasts (which include the Aberdeen/Inverness extensions), are all none stop Berwick. Not set in stone yet, but that’s presumably what they’re currently planning for.

 

[tbtc]

Back when the timetable was implemented they were not sure if HSTs could keep time. Trains booked as HSTs skipped Berwick-on-Tweed or had non standard departures (such as 0626)

That's my (layman's) understanding.

The ECML through Berwick has been in a situation where the "long distance" services (Aberdeen, Inverness) are busier than the "short distance" services (i.e. the ones starting at Edinburgh), due to the passengers from north of Edinburgh... and the "long distance" services were run by stock that had a larger penalty for breaking/accelerating (i.e. HSTs not as great as electric 225s), so it made sense to have more of the intermediate stops on the electric services that started at Waverley and therefore run more of the Aberdeen/Inverness services fairly limited stop (other than Newcastle/ York).

With a "uniform" stock, it should be much easier to have similar dwell times etc so hopefully more stops can be shared at places like Berwick (between the "short" and "long" services), but the trains starting all the way back at Aberdeen/Inverness will generally have more passengers on them.