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Missing fares from Bramley (BLE)

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Cell2025

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Good afternoon. First time post here, and rather than start a new thread this one looked as good as any to 'scratch an itch' about a train fare which genuinely seems to be unavailable to purchase.

Bramley (West Yorkshire) - BLE - lies between New Pudsey and Leeds and in the week has about three services an hour travelling each way on the Calder Valley Line. I've trying to buy a return ticket from Bramley to Penistone which is on the Huddersfield to Sheffield Line. I can get a price for any station on that line up to Denby Dale, but not Penistone, Silkstone Common or Dodworth. The next station is Barnsley and I can get a ticket for that station, but via the Leeds > Barnsley route, not the Penistone Line.

To add to the confusion I CAN get a ticket from the station prior to mine (which I guess I would do if I had to as it's only three or four minutes down the line and unlikely to cost much, or even many more.), New Pudsey, which passes through Bramley, and stops as mentioned three times an hour on the way to Leeds and then directs me via Huddersfield or Barnsley, depending which gets there more quickly.

Apologies if this sounds confusing, but I've tried to cover all scenarios in the question to save any kind soul duplicating the effort.

I've tried it on BRfares bit no can do.

Any insider knowledge would be appreciated. Thank you.


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I've tried it on BRfares bit no can do.
Because nobody has set a fare for that journey. It's a completely different issue to the one being discussed on this thread and would probably get better responses if you started one to relevant to your problem.
 

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Oh, OK, fair enough. Normally newbies are criticised for duplicating threads or issues, so I erred on the side of caution given that I was reading this thread at the time. Someone was trying to buy a ticket that the machine wouldn't sell so I thought there was a certain synergy.

My mistake.

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THanks to whoever re-posted the thread. Although I now do feel a tad stupid for registering and posting the question.
 
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Oh, OK, fair enough. Normally newbies are criticised for duplicating threads or issues, so I erred on the side of caution given that I was reading this thread at the time. Someone was trying to buy a ticket that the machine wouldn't sell so I thought there was a certain synergy.

My mistake.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: ==

THanks to whoever re-posted the thread. Although I now do feel a tad stupid for registering and posting the question.
Different forums, different moderation ideas. Wouldn't worry :)
 

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No problem,

I would just buy the New Pudsey to Penistone ticket if there wasn't a cheaper split. The forum's site or another site that supports split-ticketing will help you identify if there's a cheaper combination of tickets. In this case it looks to be cheaper to split at Denby Dale.

But the through ticket is valid on the route you propose. Bradford and Leeds are the allowed origin routeing points for this journey: you'd want to go via Bradford in order to start short at Bramley on a New Pudsey to Penistone ticket (rather than be short-faring as you would if you went via Leeds). Huddersfield is an allowed destination routing point and you can trace a route to there on both map LY and route WK. So it's a valid, mapped route if you go Bramley > Halifax > Huddersfield > Penistone. Retailers will validate it.
 

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No problem,

I would just buy the New Pudsey to Penistone ticket if there wasn't a cheaper split. The forum's site or another site that supports split-ticketing will help you identify if there's a cheaper combination of tickets. In this case it looks to be cheaper to split at Denby Dale.

But the through ticket is valid on the route you propose. Bradford and Leeds are the allowed origin routeing points for this journey: you'd want to go via Bradford in order to start short at Bramley on a New Pudsey to Penistone ticket (rather than be short-faring as you would if you went via Leeds). Huddersfield is an allowed destination routing point and you can trace a route to there on both map LY and route WK. So it's a valid, mapped route if you go Bramley > Halifax > Huddersfield > Penistone. Retailers will validate it.

Thank you. That's what I plan to do, but it seemed odd to me that no fares had been plugged in for those specific stations rather than the entire route. It's not a perverse journey for people to buy. Sometimes as I like paper tickets I turn up and just get it from the ticket office (or machine in Bramley's case).

Presumably as it's OK to start, break and resume, or end the journey at any intermediate station along the route with a ticket from New Pudsey would be OK if I got on at Bramley which is on the relevant route to Leeds.
 

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Presumably as it's OK to start, break and resume, or end the journey at any intermediate station along the route with a ticket from New Pudsey would be OK if I got on at Bramley which is on the relevant route to Leeds.
Ah, sorry, I just looked on a map and realised it goes Leeds, Bramley, New Pudsey, Brafdord.

I thought it was Leeds, New Pudsey, Bramley, Bradford. My West Yorks geography is a bit sketchy!

If you wanted to go via Halifax and Huddersfield then a ticket from New Pudsey to Penistone would not by itself be valid, as it wouldn't cover your travel from Bramley to New Pudsey. It would be valid to start short at Bramley if you went via Leeds.

If you actually started your journey at New Pudsey then it would be valid either way (via Leeds or via Bradford).

Did you particularly want to go via Halifax, or is Leeds > Huddersfield > Penistone alright? If so, that's permitted by map LY.
 

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Ah, sorry, I just looked on a map and realised it goes Leeds, Bramley, New Pudsey, Brafdord.

I thought it was Leeds, New Pudsey, Bramley, Bradford. My West Yorks geography is a bit sketchy!

If you wanted to go via Halifax and Huddersfield then a ticket from New Pudsey to Penistone would not by itself be valid, as it wouldn't cover your travel from Bramley to New Pudsey. It would be valid to start short at Bramley if you went via Leeds.

If you actually started your journey at New Pudsey then it would be valid either way (via Leeds or via Bradford).

Did you particularly want to go via Halifax, or is Leeds > Huddersfield > Penistone alright? If so, that's permitted by map LY.
I'd buy from NP but board at Bramley, then to Leeds, Leeds to Huddersfield and then Huddersfield to Penistone. That would be allowed on a cheap or any time day return, but my intrigue is why Bramley doesn't come up with any fares for the South Yorkshire element of the Penistone Line until you get to Barnsley, and that's routed via Wakefield Kirkgate not the Penistone Line.

All a bit of a moot point with Huddersfield Station just about to close for a month, but I've never come across a pretty mainstream fare that simply doesn't exist in such particular circumstances.

Thanks for your help!
 

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Is there a way of requesting for a fare to be fixed if it's missing?
 

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A complaint to Northern ought to get this sorted out.
I've sent them an e-mail. I would have thought that having to 'create' a new fare isn't a simple thing, but it will be interesting to see what, if anything, transpires.
 

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Obviously I appreciate that this isn't the most burning question, but although I have had an auto acknowledgement from Northern no reply as yet.

I tried a dummy purchase from a platform machine at the weekend and it just said no fares available, and the ticket office at New Pudsey was baffled. Said he'd never seen it before, but as he COULD sell me one from New Pudsey that wouldn't have been a problem anyway.

It still interests me how fares between two stations that are ordinary in nature and not that far apart (but not too close either) can have this anomaly. No tickets available from Bramley to Penistone, Silkstone Common or Dodworth, but stations either side are fine.

I'll advise further if I receive a reply, but appreciate that people need to wash their hair and get the washing in :D
 

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Obviously I appreciate that this isn't the most burning question, but although I have had an auto acknowledgement from Northern no reply as yet.

I tried a dummy purchase from a platform machine at the weekend and it just said no fares available, and the ticket office at New Pudsey was baffled. Said he'd never seen it before, but as he COULD sell me one from New Pudsey that wouldn't have been a problem anyway.

It still interests me how fares between two stations that are ordinary in nature and not that far apart (but not too close either) can have this anomaly. No tickets available from Bramley to Penistone, Silkstone Common or Dodworth, but stations either side are fine.

I'll advise further if I receive a reply, but appreciate that people need to wash their hair and get the washing in :D
Maybe they’re trying to trick people into buying from Bramley (Hants), for which fares are available… o_O
 

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It still interests me how fares between two stations that are ordinary in nature and not that far apart (but not too close either) can have this anomaly.
Possibly a cluster of fares that has been overlooked. Maybe there haven't been too many folk wanting to make through journeys from Bramley (West Yorks) to/from Penistone or a nearby station.
 

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16 days and two reminders later I've finally received a response. If I didn't laugh I'd cry. :D

Dear xxxxx,

Thank you for your email, please accept my apology for the delay.

Having looked into your journey request, i am unable to find a price for this trip. I would recommend that you contact our websales team to discuss your intended journey, they are best equipped to provide you with all the options available for this route. You may contact the team by calling 0344 811 5111.

Thank you again for contacting Northern, if you any further questions or require any more information from me, please do not hesitate to get in touch.

Kind Regards,
 

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This has been flagged to the appropriate person at Northern, you should hopefully see these fares appear at some point this week.
 
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