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Mishaps in East Anglia

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Phoenix

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As I always say "Sh%t happens on a daily basis" and rather than anyone being at blame let's put this all down to SODS LAW.
 

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And that's exactly why incidents such as this are investigated - to find out who or what is to blame, and to take appropriate steps to stop it happening again. Just putting it down to Sod's Law tends to...well, not do much to stop it happening again tomorrow, possibly with more serious consequences.
 

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And that's exactly why incidents such as this are investigated - to find out who or what is to blame, and to take appropriate steps to stop it happening again. Just putting it down to Sod's Law tends to...well, not do much to stop it happening again tomorrow, possibly with more serious consequences.

Well put Tomnick, most incidents even those on REAL railways are caused by people not knowing or not doing what they should.
 

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ooer what happened?

This occurred during a Thomas Santa event, the DMU was proceeding into the paltform when the points were moved under the train & the second coache continued along the so called main line at his establishment. As the two coaches were locked together due to the acute angle, the steam loco & coach was used to try & pull the dmu back. All this time the DMU was close to fouling the adjacent line.

What was worrying was the attitude, as the story was printed in a local paper & a representative from this establishment glossed over the whole thing & made light of the incident.
 

The_Rail_WAy

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Well put Tomnick, most incidents even those on REAL railways are caused by people not knowing or not doing what they should.

Not entirely true, many accidents occur on level crossings each year, with incidents on heritage routes as well (I recall the East Lancs and Romney lines suffereing level crossing incidents) - these are sometimes caused by negligence on the car drivers part or just sheer accdients.

Suicides, 'acts of nature' such as flooding and landslips and sabotage are common place and I think its unfair to blame railway staff for such mishaps.
 
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RAIB don't investigate all accidents, only ones where they feel that there are important lessons to be learned to make the railways safer.

Accidents do happen, not always someones fault and there's not a lot you can do about them.
 

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RAIB don't investigate all accidents, only ones where they feel that there are important lessons to be learned to make the railways safer.

Accidents do happen, not always someones fault and there's not a lot you can do about them.
Two things:

Firstly, my suggestion that it might be reportable to RAIB came from RAIB's own guidelines - they don't investigate everything (suicides and trespass injuries aren't even reportable - again from their own guidelines), but a derailment blocking an open running line is reportable to them. I don't suppose that necessarily means it'll be investigated, but that's not what I said.

Secondly, all accidents have a cause - it might not be directly caused by the actions of anyone, but it could be a lack of maintenance or poor design for example. Even where it's down to flooding, a landslip or similar, it may be that the accident could have been avoided if the response had been more efficient - something that will come out in the investigation. So there's almost always something to be learnt, even if that's done via an internal investigation (say for a low-speed derailment within the confines of a yard) rather than the RAIB.
 
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