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Sadly I'm of the opinion that closure is inevitable and moving some of the better stock away ASAP before bailiffs get to take control. There is to much rot for them to be able to mount a rescue operation. Even with a major input of funds the site is to far gone.

I fear you may be right, I visit probably once a year as it's fairly close, but every time I visit I'm taken aback by how run down it's become, the complex around Swanwick Junction station is just too large for the railway to effectively look after.

To start putting things right now, would take an eye watering amount of money.
 
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Sadly I'm of the opinion that closure is inevitable and moving some of the better stock away ASAP before bailiffs get to take control. There is to much rot for them to be able to mount a rescue operation. Even with a major input of funds the site is to far gone.
The centre is about much more than the stock. The railway tin chapel, for example, is a priceless gem.
 

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The centre is about much more than the stock. The railway tin chapel, for example, is a priceless gem.

Really? It reminds me of the pre-fab bungalow my nan used to live in, in Coleshill up until the early 90s!
 

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I was thinking of visiting in July on the 20th but the event for this weekend is cancelled with no replacement as of yet. Also a quick look at their stock list indicates all steam locos are either out of service or elsewhere. Assuming the gates will be unlocked on the 20th is it worth a visit?
Replacement event now announced: https://www.midlandrailway-butterley.co.uk/whats-on/rail-riders-show/

New for 2024, The Midland Railway – Butterley is hosting ‘Ale on the Rails’ A mixed traction event with Diesel and Steam alongside a visiting loco from DB Cargo UK.

We are also delighted to welcome Tom Said…., a local micro brewery who will be serving a selection of Real Ale, Beer, Cider, Whiskey and Gins at Swanwick and Butterley.

Deeley’s Tearoom will be open at Swanwick Junction Station serving for hot and cold drinks, Ice Creams, Sandwiches and snacks.

Timetable to follow.
 

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Really? It reminds me of the pre-fab bungalow my nan used to live in, in Coleshill up until the early 90s!
Really? Have you actually been inside it? No way is it anything remotely like one of those prefab bungalows! If I remember correctly, it is pre WW1. An example of a type of Railway Mission building that has almost all gone now.

And prefab bungalows are now being preserved too. I can recall visiting one that has been preserved in original 50s condition, complete with original fixtures and fittings, at Avoncroft , which was really interesting.

A railway is more than just locomotives. The buildings are important too, and the Midland Railway centre has a number of architecturally important buildings.
 
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There are some pretty bizarre posts on here - especially the one with the photograph showing the one area of the site where derelict stock is concentrated.
The poster could have shown other photos taken on the almost 50-acre site showing things such as the Static Power House (contains very large collection of mill engines and the like), the West Shed (containing Princess and Duchess steam locos and Stanier exhibition, etc), the bus museum, the fork lift truck museum, the two diesel sheds, the tin tabernacle, the two reconstructed station buildings (including the Deeley's buffet), the Historic Model Railway Society building, the 'sit astride' miniature railway (which is very large), the two-foot gauge line (The Golden Valley), the 'Grow Outdoors' horticulture centre or the Garden Railway at Butterley. He could have pictured Jinty 16440 - returned to service after 16 years, or the unique and complete Victorian set of coaches, or perhaps the HST set or something from one of the two large diesel sheds, or indeed the DMU shed at Butterley.
As to events - last week was the Jinty launch, before that there was a weekend with two different HST sets running at the same time, and in a couple of weeks time a Class 66 visits for a running weekend, along with one of the resident diesels. The MRT also is currently lending traction to at least three other heritage railways.
It is true that the oldest building, the Matthew Kirtley, has roof issues - but don't forget that all the other buildings have come after it so it's a reality that maintenance is required to the oldest one first. Originally it was indicated that grants might be available, but this turned out not to be the case, and so now a contractor has given a price for repair - rather than for the big-scale improvement originally planned.
One wonders what the purpose of some of these posts is, other than to trash a heritage site?
 

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It felt like a pretty grim place when I visited, to be honest. Not much open, disinterested staff, and an air of dereliction about the place.
 

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There are some pretty bizarre posts on here - especially the one with the photograph showing the one area of the site where derelict stock is concentrated.
The poster could have shown other photos taken on the almost 50-acre site showing things such as the Static Power House (contains very large collection of mill engines and the like), the West Shed (containing Princess and Duchess steam locos and Stanier exhibition, etc), the bus museum, the fork lift truck museum, the two diesel sheds, the tin tabernacle, the two reconstructed station buildings (including the Deeley's buffet), the Historic Model Railway Society building, the 'sit astride' miniature railway (which is very large), the two-foot gauge line (The Golden Valley), the 'Grow Outdoors' horticulture centre or the Garden Railway at Butterley. He could have pictured Jinty 16440 - returned to service after 16 years, or the unique and complete Victorian set of coaches, or perhaps the HST set or something from one of the two large diesel sheds, or indeed the DMU shed at Butterley.
As to events - last week was the Jinty launch, before that there was a weekend with two different HST sets running at the same time, and in a couple of weeks time a Class 66 visits for a running weekend, along with one of the resident diesels. The MRT also is currently lending traction to at least three other heritage railways.
It is true that the oldest building, the Matthew Kirtley, has roof issues - but don't forget that all the other buildings have come after it so it's a reality that maintenance is required to the oldest one first. Originally it was indicated that grants might be available, but this turned out not to be the case, and so now a contractor has given a price for repair - rather than for the big-scale improvement originally planned.
One wonders what the purpose of some of these posts is, other than to trash a heritage site?
As the poster of the "one area where derelict stock is concentrated" I feel it is prudent to say that all areas that I pointed my camera at were semi derelict. The staff were less than helpful other the the ticket inspector on the 141 pacer running that day. The staff at the Princess shed were not Interested in entering into a discussion of their progress or not. The site is really tatty lots of taped off areas and many large puddles to negotiate. So after 16 years we have a Jinty!! The patch painted power cars don't inspire me and they were my long time favourites in the real world. Previously I'd travelled 50 miles to visit and although the website said it was open after arrival at Butterley I was told it was closed due to flooding, when I asked why the website hadn't been updated I was curtly told it was on Facebook, silly me not not subscribing although to be fair I was given a free ticket. Actually the one that wasn't accepted on the day in question. What is the purpose of some of these posts one wonders? In my case to highlight what a miserable day I had and for others (there seem to be a few of us) that agree.
 

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Think there might be a few good points here for the railway to take note of.
Communication for one.
Other than that, everybody needs to take note of the expense and labour required to run a railway.
Good and bad things at the railway i am sure. I have been a few times and always had good days.
The site is large and with many ongoing and planned projects. There is a lot to see and unfortunately a lot of stuff that is very unlikely to see action again.
Best for people to visit and make their own minds up.
Sure that anybody wanting to take an extra step and volunteer would be welcomed.
 

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I haven't been there, although the Comet bus service runs past Butterley station so it's easy enough to get to. Sad to hear that it's struggling.

Another one, which I did visit many years ago, is Peak Rail. I don't know what it's like now, but it's similarly long established with little to show for it and what appears to be no possibility of extending any further without an expensive new alignment.

I can't help feeling that the 'fly in the ointment' in these parts is the upstart Ecclesbourne Valley Railway. At present it has no high quality station facilities and is having problems with the infrastructure falling to bits, but its potential is huge, which can only be detrimental to the shorter lines.
 

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I haven't been there, although the Comet bus service runs past Butterley station so it's easy enough to get to. Sad to hear that it's struggling.

Another one, which I did visit many years ago, is Peak Rail. I don't know what it's like now, but it's similarly long established with little to show for it and what appears to be no possibility of extending any further without an expensive new alignment.

I can't help feeling that the 'fly in the ointment' in these parts is the upstart Ecclesbourne Valley Railway. At present it has no high quality station facilities and is having problems with the infrastructure falling to bits, but its potential is huge, which can only be detrimental to the shorter lines.
It's got an ambitious new large high quality station building at Wirksworth, which last time I visited seemed mostly complete, including new quality toilets replacing the old (admittedly cramped and sub standard) portakabins. The facilities at the Duffield interchange with NR seem to be a reasonable standard and an appropriate size give that most people arrive at the other end.

The recent large bank slip at Duffield was sorted out very quickly via some generous donations and enterprising fund raising.

Do you have any specifics about what other parts of the infrastructure are "falling to bits"? It seemed in reasonable condition last time I visited.
 

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Do you have any specifics about what other parts of the infrastructure are "falling to bits"? It seemed in reasonable condition last time I visited.
I was thinking of not only the landslip but also those speed restrictions owing to track condition which have beset the route in past years. I can remember one diesel gala some years back which had a restricted timetable because it was not possible to provide an hourly service with said speed restrictions. At the end of the day it's an inherited BR freight line which would have seen minimal maintenance in its final years and maybe for longer.

I haven't visited for a couple of years so it's good to hear that the station building at Wirksworth is almost complete. Like I said, it has lots of potential: a good length of run between a main line interchange and a picturesque small town, and I look forward to going there next year, if not before!
 

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I'm going to both this week, so I'll let you know what I think.

Both are worth visiting, if you're in the area.

Though I've not been to the Ecclesbourne for a few years now, since they stopped using DMU's, trundling up and down the line on Mk1's at 25mph doesn't interest me.
 

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Both are worth visiting, if you're in the area.

Though I've not been to the Ecclesbourne for a few years now, since they stopped using DMU's, trundling up and down the line on Mk1's at 25mph doesn't interest me.
W55006 is not far off being ready now and should see use on the incline at the 14's gala. Maybe on some of the quieter weekdays later in the year it could get a run down the line.
 

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Both are worth visiting, if you're in the area.

Though I've not been to the Ecclesbourne for a few years now, since they stopped using DMU's, trundling up and down the line on Mk1's at 25mph doesn't interest me.

Haven't they been using the ex-Chiltern 'bubble car' until very recently when it moved to the CWR?
 

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Haven't they been using the ex-Chiltern 'bubble car' until very recently when it moved to the CWR?
Yes we had W55034 but DMUs don't often head down the line as steam is more what people come for these days.
 

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Yes we had W55034 but DMUs don't often head down the line as steam is more what people come for these days.

That's fair enough, I get why there was the switch to steam, as you say it's what people come for.

Personally, steam doesn't interest me at all, I prefer the Midland Railway as it's predominantly DMU operated but I do get that's a bit of a niche interest.
 

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I visited today for the ale gala and was unsure what to expect after reading the reports on here. However, I really enjoyed it and thought it fantastic :) Full details and photo's in my trip report thread which is linked in my signature below.
 

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I visited today for the ale gala and was unsure what to expect after reading the reports on here. However, I really enjoyed it and thought it fantastic :) Full details and photo's in my trip report thread which is linked in my signature below.
I was there too, good to see good number of people there.
 

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A DMU Gala has been announced, which should interest some on here, they have quite the collection of units.

he DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) Gala is an opportunity to ride on the DMU collection at the Midland Railway -Butterley.

This years DMU Gala is Saturday 21st and Sunday 22nd September.

The highlight of the DMU event will be the launch into service of ‘Pacer’ 142013, which has been comprehensively restored to its original GMPTE orange livery.

The event will also feature the line’s blue and grey Class 108 set LO262, Provincial liveried 142011 and Metro-liveried 141113, which is the only one of its class still in running order. On static display will be the only-remaining Class 100 set, which is undergoing restoration, along with examples of Class 114, 115 and 127 units.

Visitors will be able to see for the first time ever parallel running of units across the line’s photogenic reservoir section, as well as four-car and six-car formations in use. Other attractions will include a six-car Saturday evening fish and chip special, which will feature an on-train bar and guided tours of units under restoration.

142013 is the second of its class to be restored at the railway, with the work including a complete retrim in an authentic pattern 1980s moquette, with other work including a complete renewal of all window rubbers, removing and resealing the overhead pods and an interior repaint.

The event will be held in conjunction with the annual gathering of the Railcar Association, which will include a formal meeting on the Saturday and which will be attended by delegates from most UK heritage railways that operate DMUs.

Tickets can be obtained in advance from the Midland Railway’s website, with a discount being made available for two-day entry, or from Butterley station on each day of the event.

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Experience the way travel used to be with a train ride through the wonderful Derbyshire countryside on one of the Midland Railway – Butterley’s heritage Diesel Multiple Units. These trains have large windows and so there is an excellent view all round. Plus you can see into the cab and see the driver in action, as well as the track ahead.

Get off the train at Swanwick Junction and explore the Complex, where you will be able to visit the Demonstration Signal Box, Victorian Railwayman’s Church and the Country Park. Other attractions may also be open.
 

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That's fair enough, I get why there was the switch to steam, as you say it's what people come for.

Personally, steam doesn't interest me at all, I prefer the Midland Railway as it's predominantly DMU operated but I do get that's a bit of a niche interest.
I last visited the Midland Railway Centre in 2017. I used to go with a mate who knew we could get in through the back gate by Swanwick Junction station without paying, by going up Coach Road (off Codnor Lane) as it was always unlocked and no staff around. He also found a way of getting into Crich for free! I don't know how much income they lose like this. I always try to put something in a donation box if I'm not riding.
 

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It was always the case up till a couple of years ago that you only had to pay if you wanted to ride the train. There was unrestricted access at Butterley and you could walk along the footpath to Swanwick. All that has now been stopped by security fencing and removal of the footpath and the rail crossing point.
 

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It was always the case up till a couple of years ago that you only had to pay if you wanted to ride the train. There was unrestricted access at Butterley and you could walk along the footpath to Swanwick. All that has now been stopped by security fencing and removal of the footpath and the rail crossing point.
I was wondering about the bolded part when I was trying to plan a visit last year. I decided not to visit then because nothing seemed to be open, but I haven't given up and will try again, probably next year.
 

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I was wondering about the bolded part when I was trying to plan a visit last year. I decided not to visit then because nothing seemed to be open, but I haven't given up and will try again, probably next year.

I do like visiting the Midland Railway, but I get what you're saying here, it's not always clear what is open and accessible to visitors and what is closed or not for public access.

I've been a few times and on a couple of occasions found myself wandering around and wondered if I was meant to be there, but the way I see it, if I'm not, someone will let me know!
 

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I think the footpath has gone now. Certainly any way to cross the track at the Swanwick end has been removed.
 
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