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Merseyside bus fare wars

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This has to be good news either way for many of the regular passengers, mind you; most regular passenger would buy Megariders anyways.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/mersey-bus-wars-stagecoach-cuts-11285810

Merseyside bus passengers look set to benefit from a price war between bus companies.

In the same week that Arriva started slashing single fares on dozens of routes, Stagecoach has announced that it is lowering fares across Wirral and St Helens.

It following a decision to by the company to roll out its existing Liverpool flat fare structure across Merseyside.

It means passengers travelling in Wirral and St Helens will now save up to 90p on single journeys, with Liverpool flat rates of £2 extended across the region. The flat fare is £1 for under 19s.

Fares for those traveling across the water will remain at £3 - 30p cheaper than the same journey with Arriva – and £1.50 for under 19s.

The flat fare is 20p less than Arriva, which this week expanded its £2.20 adult flat fare price from Liverpool to the whole of Merseyside. The same fare is £1.10 for children.

Elisabeth Tasker, Stagecoach Merseyside and South Lancashire managing director, said: “We recognise the importance of providing a reliable and affordable bus service option for customers and we’re delighted to be increasing savings even further for passengers in Wirral and St Helens.

Arriva bus fares changes: has your travel got more or less expensive
“This is great news for bus users and we’re keen to push these savings out to all of our passengers across the region.”

The firm said £1.50 adult and 80p under 19’s single fares would still be available for customers who previously paid less than £2 for their local journeys in Wirral.

Arriva said earlier this week that its reduced prices would “bring greater consistency and fairness for passengers wherever they live on Merseyside”.

But the news came with a sting in the tail for Wirral passengers, who will not benefit from the expanded flat fare on cross-river services to and from Liverpool.

The price of a single journey is staying at £3.30 – a third more than for other journeys.

The cost of an Arriva Merseyside weekly ticket has also risen from £16 to £17, and a Liverpool Plus day ticket - which includes Liverpool, Southport and now St Helens - has risen from £4.20 to £4.30.

Stagecoach said its weekly megariders would remain at £13.50 throughout Merseyside with under 19’s weekly megariders priced at £6.80.

Arriva and Stagecoach together operate 90% of commercial bus services in and around Liverpool.
 
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Has there ever been any data released to show whether introducing flat fares generally tends to increase an operator's revenue or reduce it?
 

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I am very against flat fares in most cases. Why the hell should someone travelling the full route pay the same as someone travelling a couple of stops??

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I am very against flat fares in most cases. Why the hell should someone travelling the full route pay the same as someone travelling a couple of stops??

Because any fare system is just a pricing model which covers costs and makes a profit. There is little direct cost involved in carrying one specific passenger for one specific journey.
 

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I am very against flat fares in most cases. Why the hell should someone travelling the full route pay the same as someone travelling a couple of stops??

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Swings and roundabouts. Otherwise there'd be far too many fare stages (as there used to be) and fare collection is made so much more difficult.
In any event, it's high time we made some better progress with off-bus sales, smart cards etc - I know there's quite a bit now going on but we're light years behind the times.
 

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Swings and roundabouts. Otherwise there'd be far too many fare stages (as there used to be) and fare collection is made so much more difficult.
In any event, it's high time we made some better progress with off-bus sales, smart cards etc - I know there's quite a bit now going on but we're light years behind the times.

I think we should aim for no cash on the bus (like London) within 10 years. In some areas it would be achievable within 5.
 

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I am very against flat fares in most cases. Why the hell should someone travelling the full route pay the same as someone travelling a couple of stops??

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In this case the flat fare of £2 has been extended outwards so all changes to fares benefit the passenger (the lower £1.50 fare has been retained). I can't see why anyone would complain about this.
 

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The routes run jointly by both companies are the 14 53 82 and 86. It would be interesting to know how many passengers are waiting now for Stagecoach now that they are using brand new Enviro 400 MMC on three of these routes.
 

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The routes run jointly by both companies are the 14 53 82 and 86. It would be interesting to know how many passengers are waiting now for Stagecoach now that they are using brand new Enviro 400 MMC on three of these routes.

The 10A is also jointly run by both companies.

The new Enviro400s are used on two routes, the 14 and 86.
 
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The routes run jointly by both companies are the 14 53 82 and 86. It would be interesting to know how many passengers are waiting now for Stagecoach now that they are using brand new Enviro 400 MMC on three of these routes.

Not if you are travelling to Speke, Childwallblues
 

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The flat fares have also recently been extended to the Wirral - £2.00 for most journeys and £3.00 for cross-river trips.

Matters on the Wirral could get more interesting in the autumn however, as I understand that Arriva may be withdrawing their diagrams on route 2 (Liverpool -Chester). If so, that will end the current partnership on that corridor and I suspect lead to a bus war between the two places.
 
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